And the Truth will set you free

[Comingfrom]

God renting out Mankind as his vineyard may be tied to God giving Adam authority over the Earth. In sin, Adam lost authority?
So it is written: “The first man Adam became a living being"; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit. (1 Corinthians 15:45)

Thank you, I like that. Nice connecting.

And the Lord God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there He put the man whom He had formed.
...
And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.
Genesis 2:8 & 15

All authority was given unto Jesus. Did Jesus give authority to certain people who fell away? Catholics and Orthodox, asserting Apostolic Authority, they suggest so. Were they always doing the right thing, or did some Emperor's, Kings, Patriarchs, or Popes, did they do the wrong things?

Protestants often claim authority by saying that they represent something closer to the first century Christianity. Was one of them a Prophet or part of a prophetic ministry? Did they have authority?

Jesus gave authority to someone similar to God giving authority to Adam? Where, and who is actually wielding such authority?

Two scriptures come to mind.

But Jesus called them unto Him, and said,
Ye know that the princes of the Gentiles exercise dominion over them,
and they that are great exercise authority upon them.
But it shall not be so among you:
but whosoever will be great among you, let him be your minister;
And whosoever will be chief among you, let him be your servant:
Even as the Son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give His life a ransom for many.
Matthew 20:25-28

Thus saith the Lord God;
Behold, I am against the shepherds;
and I will require My flock at their hand, and cause them to cease from feeding the flock;
neither shall the shepherds feed themselves any more; for I will deliver My flock from their mouth, that they may not be meat for them.
For thus saith the Lord God;
Behold, I, even I, will both search My sheep, and seek them out.
Ezekiel 34:10-11

 

[Comingfrom]

ComingFrom, you completely ignore the law of moses. Giving lip service and repeating how much it should be, has to be and is kept, is not keeping it. To do that you would have to do what it says and you do not. You do what you say, there is very little in common with what you do to what the law actually says to do.

If I did what you believe God said, you mean.

And then you would think even worse of me,
for killing animals, and stoning people to death, and for killing Canaanites.
Wouldn't you.

Do you believe Jesus kept the law?

I don't know if you agree with Joseph Goebbels or are simply that self deceived, but you are operating under his premise that if you claim it long enough people will eventually see it as the truth. But it is blatantly obvious that you do not keep the Law of Moses, not even close.

I actually more often say to keep it, rather than say I keep it.
I believe and keep all His words, and I strive to do all the things He said to do,
and to not do those things He says not to do.

I never claim I can and am doing it all perfectly. Who can?

Do you believe Jesus did?

The power to forgive sins came from the shedding of blood. Christ's for without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sin.

Jesus said the Son of man has power on earth to forgive sins,
and Jesus said He comes.

May He shed His blood upon you.

Do you believe Jesus?

 

[Grace Accepted]

If I did what you believe God said, you mean.

And then you would think even worse of me,
for killing animals, and stoning people to death, and for killing Canaanites.
Wouldn't you.

Do you believe Jesus kept the law?

No, what God said. Unfortunately for your religion, God had it written down so it i quite obvious you do not do any of it. Nit even the Ten Commandments.

Jesus fulfilled the law. The Old Covenant was all about Him. It pointed out what He would do and suffer for our sins. Once He cam and did those things, the Old Covenant became obsolete.

 

[Comingfrom]

No you didn't. You are full of it. Why do you paint yourself as a peeping tom.

For those interested in the truth. Each item mentioned in Rev 3: 18 relates to the righteousness and wisdom of Christ.

The Gold: Proverbs 16:16 How much better it is to get wisdom than gold!

And all the people brake off the golden earrings which were in their ears,
and brought them unto Aaron.
Exodus 32:3

For I will give you a mouth
and wisdom,
which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
Luke 21:15

The white rament: Christ's imputed righteousness. Isaiah 61:10: I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for He has clothed me with the garments of salvation, He has covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decks himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels.

And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest.
And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation,
and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Revelation 7:14

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord:
though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow;
though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Isaiah 1:18

Eye Salve: The Holy Spirit's gift of discernment.

Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come, He will guide you into all truth:
for He shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever He shall hear, that shall He speak:
and He will shew you things to come.
John 16:13

And I will come near to you to judgment;
and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers,
and against the adulterers,
and against false swearers,
and against those that oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless,
and that turn aside the stranger from his right, and fear not Me, saith the Lord of hosts.
...
Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked,
between him that serveth God and him that serveth Him not.
Malachi 3:5 & 18

 

[Grace Accepted]

And all the people brake off the golden earrings which were in their ears,
and brought them unto Aaron.
Exodus 32:3

For I will give you a mouth
and wisdom,
which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
Luke 21:15

There is a way that appears to be right, but in the end it leads to death. Proverbs 14:12

 

[Grace Accepted]

And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest.
And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation,
and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Revelation 7:14

Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord:
though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow;
though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
Isaiah 1:18

Isaiah 53
He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

 

[Comingfrom]

And you think this is a big deal to God? Do you think this impresses God and makes him say wow, that fellow is swell?

That is Jesus telling us which meat to go for,
and that God has ordained the Son of man to give it us.

So, absolutely yes, this is a big deal to God. And for us.
One could even say, the real deal.

Just think about the alternative, what most currently do,
is get their meat from Priests and Pastors which are ordained by men. Don't they.

For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them,
and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters:
and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
Revelation 7:17

 

[Comingfrom]

@Comingfrom is lucky to have you to answer for him.

I see that in this case at least, satire escapes you, which is quite revealing itself.

Also your quoting of a random text whose only connection to the scripture in question is the word “fig” is an oddity.

You do have an interesting approach here. I suppose we do need those who ride in backward on their horse while applying their aftershave to add old spice to our lives.

So I might understand your responses better, just what parts of the bible do you take literally?

Refer to my last posts to Jasher, and Arial.

 

[Comingfrom]

No, what God said. Unfortunately for your religion, God had it written down so it i quite obvious you do not do any of it. Nit even the Ten Commandments.

And what if, what you judged to be literal, is not, and is metaphorical?
And God did not actually want the flesh of bulls and the blood of goats.

How would that impinge upon your faith in Jesus' carnal blood?

If I were hungry, I would not tell thee: for the world is Mine, and the fulness thereof.
Will I eat the flesh of bulls, or drink the blood of goats?
Offer unto God thanksgiving; and pay thy vows unto the most High:
And call upon Me in the day of trouble: I will deliver thee, and thou shalt glorify Me.
Psalm 50:12-15

Jesus fulfilled the law. The Old Covenant was all about Him. It pointed out what He would do and suffer for our sins. Once He cam and did those things, the Old Covenant became obsolete.

OK, but we don't have a record of how many bullocks and rams Jesus brought, or do we?

And He prevented the stoning of the adulteress caught in fornication,
and stopped the animal sacrifices at the temple in Jerusalem too.
Whilst also telling a blind man that He had just healed, to offer the gift that Moses commanded.

Was Jesus is some sort of a transition between between the covenants?

 

[Jasher]

What??

Do you think that is why Adam and Eve donned fig leaves?
to paint themselves as peeping toms?

Who ever paints them self as a peeping tom?
Even the peeping toms keep it their secret, don't they.

Instead, think of the saying, The Emperor wears no clothes,
and what does that mean.

You're the one who made the comment that you saw him putting on figs leaves so I took it as you were saying he was using Jesus to cover his sins the way Adam covered his nakedness with the leaves from the tree he ate from.

 

[Comingfrom]

Isaiah 53
He was despised and rejected by mankind,
a man of suffering, and familiar with pain.
Like one from whom people hide their faces
he was despised, and we held him in low esteem.
4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,
stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

And He had children, and He lived a long life,
and life was happy ever after.

I'm not joking. That's what it says, doesn't it?

Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief:
when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days,
and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
Isaiah 53:10

 

[Comingfrom]

You're the one who made the comment that you saw him putting on figs leaves so I took it as you were saying he was using Jesus to cover his sins the way Adam covered his nakedness with the leaves from the tree he ate from.

Yes, that too,
but I was referring to, after all his judging and insinuation, and calling me wrong, and saying I don't, etc,
he then covers himself with sayings like, I don't judge, I'm not questioning your salvation.

Of course he does judge (no shame in that, we have all got to judge), and he is questioning my salvation,
when all his insinuations are implying that I have the wrong or no faith, and that I am deceived of the devil, etc.

And that is like Adam and Eve discovering they are naked, and quickly covering themselves with fig leaves.

Or like the Emperor, who in front of people realizes he has no clothes, what does he do?
Quickly thinks up excuses, and "gaslights".
HO HO it is you that is blind, you just cannot see my robes of righteousness.
And you're nothing but peeping toms for looking right through my robes. Begone, peasants.

And the people say; Yes, your Majesty. Of course your Honour.
And before him accusing one another of peeping.

Ouch.