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TrevorL
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Greetings again Pipiripi,
Eventually I asked about the nation of Israel and their role in some of the Prophets. I do not know exactly what verses were discussed, but mainly the general concept was discussed. Their answer was that the many prophecies that speak of Israel were conditional, and would have only occurred if the Jews had accepted Jesus at his first coming. Seeing that the Jews did not accept Jesus, then all these prophecies were superseded. Looking back now, this became a turning point, as I no longer held the SDAs in much respect, even though I agreed with some of their other doctrines. My understanding of the prophets is that they clearly speak of how the Jews would reject their Messiah, yet despite this they would eventually return to the Land and be converted.
A second encounter had a similar effect. I was down in the Sydney Domain, and they had open air preaching at that time, with about 10-12 stands. Each stand would be surrounded by people listening and sometimes hassling the speaker of each group. On one occasion an older SDA started to discuss privately with me, and the subject of the Kingdom and Israel was mentioned. I asked how he understood Zechariah 14, and his answer was that he did not know why God placed Zechariah 14 in the Bible, because he could not reconcile his beliefs with Zechariah 14.
These two encounters were over 50 years ago, and I have never seen the need to change my view on this, especially as I was well instructed about the Promise of the Land in Genesis 13:14,15 (not heaven going) and Galatians 3:8,16,26,27,28,29 by my Sunday (!!!) School teacher. The difference between these SDAs and you is that they could understand what these prophecies were actually stating. You seem to have ripped these pages out of your Bible or white-wash painted over them by your wrong interpretation of Revelation 20. Neither has anything that you have stated altered my view on Jesus as the King/Priest upon the Temple/Throne of David in Jerusalem for the 1000 years, with the faithful also as king/priests and the mortal nation of Israel converted and the first dominion, and the mortal nations subjected and learning the ways of God. This picture is simply and clearly depicted in Isaiah 2:1,2,3,4 and Zechariah 14:16. I should imagine that you want to "pluck" these verses out of your Bible and put them in the fire.
Kind regards
Trevor
Yes, I will hold on to my understanding of Isaiah 2:1-4. I would like to share this with you. In my early 20s I had a discussion with a work mate. He was interested in the Bible and Prophecy. The first conversation was at the time of the Six Day War, and Israel was very much in the news. I stated that I believed Israel would survive and spoke of a few prophecies that speak of their involvement in latter day events. Some weeks later I received a knock on the door and a SDA Pastor and his Assistant visited unannounced and stated that they wanted to talk to me about the Bible, Israel and Prophecy. They had been sent by my workmate's mother who was a SDA and she was very concerned about my influence on her son.
Eventually I asked about the nation of Israel and their role in some of the Prophets. I do not know exactly what verses were discussed, but mainly the general concept was discussed. Their answer was that the many prophecies that speak of Israel were conditional, and would have only occurred if the Jews had accepted Jesus at his first coming. Seeing that the Jews did not accept Jesus, then all these prophecies were superseded. Looking back now, this became a turning point, as I no longer held the SDAs in much respect, even though I agreed with some of their other doctrines. My understanding of the prophets is that they clearly speak of how the Jews would reject their Messiah, yet despite this they would eventually return to the Land and be converted.
A second encounter had a similar effect. I was down in the Sydney Domain, and they had open air preaching at that time, with about 10-12 stands. Each stand would be surrounded by people listening and sometimes hassling the speaker of each group. On one occasion an older SDA started to discuss privately with me, and the subject of the Kingdom and Israel was mentioned. I asked how he understood Zechariah 14, and his answer was that he did not know why God placed Zechariah 14 in the Bible, because he could not reconcile his beliefs with Zechariah 14.
These two encounters were over 50 years ago, and I have never seen the need to change my view on this, especially as I was well instructed about the Promise of the Land in Genesis 13:14,15 (not heaven going) and Galatians 3:8,16,26,27,28,29 by my Sunday (!!!) School teacher. The difference between these SDAs and you is that they could understand what these prophecies were actually stating. You seem to have ripped these pages out of your Bible or white-wash painted over them by your wrong interpretation of Revelation 20. Neither has anything that you have stated altered my view on Jesus as the King/Priest upon the Temple/Throne of David in Jerusalem for the 1000 years, with the faithful also as king/priests and the mortal nation of Israel converted and the first dominion, and the mortal nations subjected and learning the ways of God. This picture is simply and clearly depicted in Isaiah 2:1,2,3,4 and Zechariah 14:16. I should imagine that you want to "pluck" these verses out of your Bible and put them in the fire.
Kind regards
Trevor