Genesis 1 Comment

[Jasher]

Translated just for you.

The secret things of the LORD are not hidden by translations.

They are revealed by the divine law-principles.

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.2 Cor 4

The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law. Deut 29:29

A=B. Like the gospel of Christ, B can equal whatever you think it is, yet as written in the Book of Hebrews therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, then B equals whatever one chooses being like children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive.

God called THE firmament "heaven." The firmament is the sky.

Heaven was created. The firmament was made.

And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

So what do you believe the heaven that was created in the beginning was? Since nothing existed in this world prior to the creation, what would be the first thing that would have to exist in order for a physical world to exist?

"Let there be"

And "it" was

While the common usage of the term 'create' equate it with the word 'make', however in scripture the two terms have different and distinct implications.

In scripture the the principle of 'create' is established by two immutable precepts
1) bringing into existence something that has never existed in form or nature prior to it being brought into existence; and
2) bringing something into existence that could not have came into existence by natural process.

In such, the term 'create' infers it is a divine act.

For a thousand years in thy sight are but as yesterday when it is past, and as a watch in the night. Ps 90:4
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. 2 Peter 3:8

If someone knows what happened during the period called the fourth day then they should be able to explain how a day can be as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.

 

[CherubRam]

No, the firmament is heaven, the lights in the firmament are stars and planets.

What is a heaven?
Heaven is a place, with space, that is filled with things.

Do you agree with that shroom?

 

[CherubRam]

They are revealed by the divine law-principles.

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.2 Cor 4

The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law. Deut 29:29

A=B. Like the gospel of Christ, B can equal whatever you think it is, yet as written in the Book of Hebrews therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, then B equals whatever one chooses being like children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive.



And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

So what do you believe the heaven that was created in the beginning was? Since nothing existed in this world prior to the creation, what would be the first thing that would have to exist in order for a physical world to exist?




While the common usage of the term 'create' equate it with the word 'make', however in scripture the two terms have different and distinct implications.

In scripture the the principle of 'create' is established by two immutable precepts
1) bringing into existence something that has never existed in form or nature prior to it being brought into existence; and
2) bringing something into existence that could not have came into existence by natural process.

In such, the term 'create' infers it is a divine act.



If someone knows what happened during the period called the fourth day then they should be able to explain how a day can be as a thousand years and a thousand years as one day.

For thousands of years it has been taught that the creation days are epochs of time.

 

[shroom]

Your elevator needs maintenance.

The customary insult.

The world is also a heaven.
Genesis 1:8
And God called the (World, / firmament) Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

No, "world" is not synonymous with "firmament." God called the firmament heaven. IOW, heaven is the name God gave to the firmament. To the ancients, the firmament is the dome over the earth that the stars and planets are "in."

“At hand” means, here.
Matthew 3:2
And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is (at hand / here.)

Matthew 4:17
From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is (at hand / here.)

Matthew 10:7
And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is (at hand / here.)

“The kingdom of God is in your midst.”
Luke 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is (within you / in your midst.)

Yes, they thought the kingdom was close. But it's still not here. God intervened wth His secret, which basically was Christianity.

God’s dwelling place is now among the people
Revelation 21:3
And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God.

CR..... That's future. Even after the millennial kingdom. On the new heaven and earth.

 

[shroom]

What is a heaven?
Heaven is a place, with space, that is filled with things.

Do you agree with that shroom?

Biblically, heaven is never a place on earth. The Bible talks about three heavens. 1) The heaven where the birds fly (basically the sky). 2) The firmament where the stars and planets are. 3) God's dwelling place, AKA "the highest heaven."

 

[Mr G Lee]

While the common usage of the term 'create' equate it with the word 'make', however in scripture the two terms have different and distinct implications.

In scripture the the principle of 'create' is established by two immutable precepts
1) bringing into existence something that has never existed in form or nature prior to it being brought into existence; and
2) bringing something into existence that could not have came into existence by natural process.

In such, the term 'create' infers it is a divine act.

Yes the law of faith . . "Let there be" and "It was good"

Interestingly he created two beginning or generations when he was working those 6 days.
The one we live in the temporal and the other the eternal land prepared for His bide the church described in Revelations 21 and 22 as having no need of the sun and the moon as light .There will be no darkness called night

Genesis 2:4 These are the generations (plural) of the heavens (plural) and of the earth when they (plural) were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,(plural)

 

[CherubRam]

Biblically, heaven is never a place on earth. The Bible talks about three heavens. 1) The heaven where the birds fly (basically the sky). 2) The firmament where the stars and planets are. 3) God's dwelling place, AKA "the highest heaven."

Your beliefs do not agree with the bible. There are many heavens and Earth is one of them. Simply put, heavens are places.
2 Corinthians 12:2
I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows.

“The kingdom of God is in your midst.”
Luke 17:21
Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is (within you / in your midst.)

Heaven in your midst is a real place.
Heaven within you is not a real place, but your imagination.

 

[Jasher]

Interestingly he created two beginning or generations when he was working those 6 days.

While it is obvious that we do not hold to the same Hexameron, for example your belief that the day in Genesis was a 24 hour period. I completely understand that a believer can believe whatever they want to believe and need no reason for what they believe, yet a believer is a person that has no faith. Of course believers believe they have faith but faith without evidence lacks substance; and hope without substance is not faith, it is believing. So would you mind clarifying the reason why your expectation is that a day in Genesis 1 infers a twenty four hour period?

Genesis 2:4 These are the generations (plural) of the heavens (plural) and of the earth when they (plural) were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens,(plural)

The first generation of the heaven and the earth created as written in Genesis 1:1

God created the heaven and the earth.​

The second generation of heaven and earth were made as written in Genesis 1:7-10

And God made the firmament. And God called the firmament Heaven.​

And God made the dry land appear. And God called the dry land Earth;​

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And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. Gen 2:3

Generation (plural), heaven and earth (plural) , yet in the day (singular) that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens.

 

[Jasher]

Your beliefs do not agree with the bible. There are many heavens and Earth is one of them. Simply put, heavens are places.
2 Corinthians 12:2
I know a man in Christ who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third heaven. Whether it was in the body or out of the body I do not know—God knows.

How do you draw the conclusion that there are many heavens when the verse states the man was caught up to the the third heaven. That would mean that there were only the two heavens, the one created on the first day and the firmament called heaven.

However, if he didn't know whether the one who was caught up to that third heaven was in the body or out of the body then how did he know that the man was actually caught up to a third heaven?

The passage continues

3 And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth
4 How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.

Jesus told the said to one of the two men that were crucified with him that To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. Luke 23:43

So do you think the heart of the earth is paradise?

 

[shroom]

Your beliefs do not agree with the bible.

They agree exactly with the Bible.

You’re wrong.

 

[CherubRam]

They agree exactly with the Bible.

You’re wrong.

What is there that is above that gives light to this planet shroom?
The firmaments here are (planets / stars) in the heavens above.
My translation here is more accurate then all of the others.

Genesis 1:14
And God of the living ones said, Let there be lights in the firmament (Singular) of the heavens (Plural) to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

I checked the translation and the word for heaven is plural.

Genesis 1:14 - Bible Gateway

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[CherubRam]

Expanse
Typically land or sea, presenting a wide continuous surface.