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MatthewG
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Why do you think that?did you take that as a personal threat from ME?
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MatthewG
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just let it go, the only thing man can really do is kill me.
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Grace Accepted
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Of curse you don't but I want to warn people what you are about.Oh I don't care what you have to say about Shawn.
Cults that claim their leader is Jesus or secretly in touch with Jesus.What are Jesus cults?
The fact is, none of these things happened. What Shawn has taught you is false. It does not stop one from being saved but it sets them up for cults.Great questions. He did say he was coming back with in a generation because of all things needing to be fulfilled, but that requires going back and looking and observing history. Too much work for me and you both.
Nothing was fulfilled that he predicted according to his own words concerning his second coming. It is untenable that he came in 70 ADIf you can look at history and consider its contents with those who were around to witness like Josephus, Tacticus, Suetonius, and Cassio Dio, guess we won't never know. Why did you say it is not about me? It is not about me, it is about what Jesus Christ stated.
But you discredit him coming to them in that time too? Why?
No it isn't. It just did not happen in 70 AD The fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD was recorded by eye-witnesses and they certainly would have noticed the sky rolling back like a scroll and the son of man sitting at the right hand of power descending with a loud trumpet. The bible says it will be like lightening flashing across the sky from the east to the west. History would have recorded such an event. Mountains are going to move out of there place and the whole earth will tremble and shake. No, my friend, you are being deceived.Its understandable people need their fix, and believe what they do, gets them excited, they want to see it for themselves.
It similar to how people seen Jesus healed people, but asked him to perform a sign.
It is too. Name three things you disagree with Shawn and his CULT.Its not about Shawn or Cult or anything like that how you desire to continue to throw that up.
You ignore what He said.It is about what Jesus said, but maybe what he had stated isn't at all a concern.
You ignore this,
“‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken. Matt 24:29
and this,
“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. Matt 24:30,31
He hasn't. Point to one of the fulfilled signs of his coming.
Like stated earlier, people need things to stay alive or they lose it.
"If Jesus Christ has returned" - What does that leave us with is the question that comes to my mind, What now?
Because none of the signs have happened. Have you ever considered that the generation Christ was speaking of was the generation in which these signs will occur?How do you know it didn't happen in 70Ad?
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Or you could kill them.just let it go, the only thing man can really do is kill me.
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MatthewG
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Of curse you don't but I want to warn people what you are about.
Cults that claim their leader is Jesus or secretly in touch with Jesus.
The fact is, none of these things happened. What Shawn has taught you is false. It does not stop one from being saved but it sets them up for cults.
Nothing was fulfilled that he predicted according to his own words concerning his second coming. It is untenable that he came in 70 AD
No it isn't. It just did not happen in 70 AD The fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD was recorded by eye-witnesses and they certainly would have noticed the sky rolling back like a scroll and the son of man sitting at the right hand of power descending with a loud trumpet. The bible says it will be like lightening flashing across the sky from the east to the west. History would have recorded such an event. Mountains are going to move out of there place and the whole earth will tremble and shake. No, my friend, you are being deceived.
It is too. Name three things you disagree with Shawn and his CULT.
You ignore what He said.
You ignore this,
“‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken. Matt 24:29
and this,
“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. Matt 24:30,31
He hasn't. Point to one of the fulfilled signs of his coming.
Because none of the signs have happened. Have you ever considered that the generation Christ was speaking of was the generation in which these signs will occur?
Or you could kill them.
Hey grace thank you commenting and sharing your views, that is fine you believe just like probably countless of other people. Hope you have had a good day today. I could go and try to present cases but I still have a lot of studying to do.
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You don't have a time machine and you aren't an eyewitness.Nothing was fulfilled that he predicted according to his own words concerning his second coming.
Who is Shawn?
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@Grace Accepted By the way, Isaiah 34:4 had already been fulfilled before Jesus lived.
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Still waiting for a return that was going to happen quickly.
Whatever you want to believe is between you and God, my decision is to live by faith that Jesus Christ had already came back to that bride of the early church.
Note: By Faith. So for me, everything has been fulfilled in Christ, and I believe the fulfillment came with the destruction of Israel in divorcement of material religion into the newness of living by the Spirit, being part of the Heavenly Realm by faith in Christ Jesus.
Understood, and what happens to the judgement of the rest of mankind, Rom 2, Act 17?
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@EarlyActs,
What are you specifically referring to? Considering what that I am not sure what it is you are speaking about or how you believe it may be for today? Though will say I believe everyone has their judgement when they die from this life.
What are you specifically referring to? Considering what that I am not sure what it is you are speaking about or how you believe it may be for today? Though will say I believe everyone has their judgement when they die from this life.
Acts 17
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In Thessalonica
17 When Paul and his companions had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a Jewish synagogue. 2 As was his custom, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures,3 explaining and proving that the Messiah had to suffer and rise from the dead. “This Jesus I am proclaiming to you is the Messiah,” he said.4 Some of the Jews were persuaded and joined Paul and Silas, as did a large number of God-fearing Greeks and quite a few prominent women.
5 But other Jews were jealous; so they rounded up some bad characters from the marketplace, formed a mob and started a riot in the city. They rushed to Jason’s house in search of Paul and Silas in order to bring them out to the crowd.[a] 6 But when they did not find them, they dragged Jason and some other believers before the city officials, shouting: “These men who have caused trouble all over the world have now come here, 7 and Jason has welcomed them into his house. They are all defying Caesar’s decrees, saying that there is another king, one called Jesus.” 8 When they heard this, the crowd and the city officials were thrown into turmoil. 9 Then they made Jason and the others post bond and let them go.
In Berea
10 As soon as it was night, the believers sent Paul and Silas away to Berea. On arriving there, they went to the Jewish synagogue. 11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.12 As a result, many of them believed, as did also a number of prominent Greek women and many Greek men.
13 But when the Jews in Thessalonica learned that Paul was preaching the word of God at Berea, some of them went there too, agitating the crowds and stirring them up. 14 The believers immediately sent Paul to the coast, but Silas and Timothy stayed at Berea. 15 Those who escorted Paul brought him to Athens and then left with instructions for Silas and Timothy to join him as soon as possible.
In Athens
16 While Paul was waiting for them in Athens, he was greatly distressed to see that the city was full of idols. 17 So he reasoned in the synagoguewith both Jews and God-fearing Greeks, as well as in the marketplace day by day with those who happened to be there. 18 A group of Epicurean and Stoic philosophers began to debate with him. Some of them asked, “What is this babbler trying to say?” Others remarked, “He seems to be advocating foreign gods.” They said this because Paul was preaching the good news about Jesus and the resurrection. 19 Then they took him and brought him to a meeting of the Areopagus, where they said to him, “May we know what this new teaching is that you are presenting? 20 You are bringing some strange ideas to our ears, and we would like to know what they mean.” 21 (All the Athenians and the foreigners who lived there spent their time doing nothing but talking about and listening to the latest ideas.)
22 Paul then stood up in the meeting of the Areopagus and said: “People of Athens! I see that in every way you are very religious. 23 For as I walked around and looked carefully at your objects of worship, I even found an altar with this inscription: to an unknown god. So you are ignorant of the very thing you worship—and this is what I am going to proclaim to you.
24 “The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by human hands.25 And he is not served by human hands, as if he needed anything. Rather, he himself gives everyone life and breath and everything else.26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands. 27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us. 28 ‘For in him we live and move and have our being.’[b] As some of your own poets have said, ‘We are his offspring.’[c]
29 “Therefore since we are God’s offspring, we should not think that the divine being is like gold or silver or stone—an image made by human design and skill. 30 In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent. 31 For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed.He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”
32 When they heard about the resurrection of the dead, some of them sneered, but others said, “We want to hear you again on this subject.”33 At that, Paul left the Council. 34 Some of the people became followers of Paul and believed. Among them was Dionysius, a member of the Areopagus, also a woman named Damaris, and a number of others.
Romans 1
1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle and set apartfor the gospel of God— 2 the gospel he promised beforehand through his prophets in the Holy Scriptures 3 regarding his Son, who as to his earthly life[a] was a descendant of David, 4 and who through the Spirit of holiness was appointed the Son of God in power[b] by his resurrection from the dead: Jesus Christ our Lord. 5 Through him we received grace and apostleship to call all the Gentiles to the obedience that comes from[c] faith for his name’s sake. 6 And you also are among those Gentiles who are called to belong to Jesus Christ.
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7 To all in Rome who are loved by God and called to be his holy people:
Grace and peace to you from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Paul’s Longing to Visit Rome
8 First, I thank my God through Jesus Christ for all of you, because your faith is being reported all over the world. 9 God, whom I serve in my spirit in preaching the gospel of his Son, is my witness how constantly I remember you 10 in my prayers at all times; and I pray that now at last by God’s will the way may be opened for me to come to you.
11 I long to see you so that I may impart to you some spiritual gift to make you strong— 12 that is, that you and I may be mutually encouraged by each other’s faith. 13 I do not want you to be unaware,brothers and sisters,[d] that I planned many times to come to you (but have been prevented from doing so until now) in order that I might have a harvest among you, just as I have had among the other Gentiles.
14 I am obligated both to Greeks and non-Greeks, both to the wise and the foolish. 15 That is why I am so eager to preach the gospel also to you who are in Rome.
16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, because it is the power of Godthat brings salvation to everyone who believes: first to the Jew, then to the Gentile. 17 For in the gospel the righteousness of God is revealed—a righteousness that is by faith from first to last,[e] just as it is written: “The righteous will live by faith.”[f]
God’s Wrath Against Sinful Humanity
18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made,so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.
24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another.25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised.Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
Romans 2
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God’s Righteous Judgment
2 You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things. 2 Now we know that God’s judgment against those who do such things is based on truth. 3 So when you, a mere human being, pass judgment on them and yet do the same things, do you think you will escape God’s judgment? 4 Or do you show contempt for the riches of his kindness,forbearance and patience, not realizing that God’s kindness is intended to lead you to repentance?
5 But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed. 6 God “will repay each person according to what they have done.”[a] 7 To those who by persistence in doing good seek glory, honor and immortality, he will give eternal life.8 But for those who are self-seeking and who reject the truth and follow evil, there will be wrath and anger. 9 There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10 but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11 For God does not show favoritism.
12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
The Jews and the Law
17 Now you, if you call yourself a Jew; if you rely on the law and boast in God; 18 if you know his will and approve of what is superior because you are instructed by the law; 19 if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, 20 an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of little children, because you have in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth— 21 you, then, who teach others, do you not teach yourself? You who preach against stealing, do you steal? 22 You who say that people should not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? 23 You who boast in the law, do you dishonor God by breaking the law? 24 As it is written: “God’s name is blasphemed among the Gentiles because of you.”[b]
25 Circumcision has value if you observe the law, but if you break the law, you have become as though you had not been circumcised. 26 So then, if those who are not circumcised keep the law’s requirements, will they not be regarded as though they were circumcised? 27 The one who is not circumcised physically and yet obeys the law will condemn you who, even though you have the[c] written code and circumcision, are a lawbreaker.
28 A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical. 29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit,not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.
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Right but I am from earth.@Grace Accepted By the way, Isaiah 34:4 had already been fulfilled before Jesus lived.