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1Mind1Spirit
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Any one does but no body can't.
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Arial
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It doesn't say most won't seek Him. It says none. He wasn't quoting a promise, he was quoting an indictment on all mankind, past, present, future. Paul says later in this Romans discours. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. All are under the same condemnation.You are right by sharing that scripture which can be seen in light today, as it can be a general used statement that most probably won't seek after God. It perhaps needs to come from hearing what the Bible has to say and come from a place of understanding to convey to another person all the great things God had done. In that day in age, when Paul was writing his letters, Paul is quoting a promise that had come about with-in that day in age, where there were people who were not seeking God, and could careless. Does that still apply today? Yes, it does @Arial in a sense it does apply however that doesn't mean people are barred away from the ability to make the choice to seek out God, in my best estimation.
The reason why they are not barred away? Because the Bible mentions from John in the revelation of a glorious heavenly city with open gates that never close with the Spirit calling people to come, and those that do will be given water.
Here are some general reference scriptures to share along with Romans 3:11
Proverbs 1:29-30 is a spot on verse for the choices a person makes.
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MatthewG
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It doesn't say most won't seek Him. It says none. He wasn't quoting a promise, he was quoting an indictment on all mankind, past, present, future. Paul says later in this Romans discours. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. All are under the same condemnation.
You're right. None seek God. Then why do people seek God today for like yourself? That is a contradiction of scripture, if that is the case.
If none seek after God - are those who do not seek after God and that leaves the group that is seeking after God?
How can we take this so literally that would bar from either people having a choice or not having a choice, from your perspective.
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shroom
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Yes.Do you believe in salvation by grace alone, through faith alone, in Christ alone?
No. Where we differ is obvious. You think God “does it all,” whereas I think God requires us to have faith.Then I guess we better start calling you a Calvinist.
Because God is not omnipotent to the extent that He controls/decides/determines who will be saved.How can a person say God is omnipotent and at the same time say He wants everyone to be saved, that He is not willing that any should perish when it is obvious that more perish than are saved?
Sigh… A person’s salvation is contingent upon that person deciding to believe the gospel. ANYONE has the capacity within themselves to make that decision.Your theory of freewill will not solve the problem. It presents a God who would leave the salvation of any subjected to the will of man, a creature who is at enmity with Him by his very nature.
God respects each person’s decision.One who would leave the effectiveness of the suffering and death of His Son in the hands of sinful man. It presents a God who is subjected to the will of man, who values man's will above His own.
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shroom
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Anyone can choose to be “better.”Therefore better. Gotcha. Finally someone admits it.
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shroom
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Yore hick speech has shot you in the foot. “No body can’t,” therefore anyone can.Any one does but no body can't.
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1Mind1Spirit
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Men love darkness.You're right. None seek God. Then why do people seek God today for like yourself? That is a contradiction of scripture, if that is the case.
If none seek after God - are those who do not seek after God and that leaves the group that is seeking after God?
How can we take this so literally that would bar from either people having a choice or not having a choice, from your perspective.
King James Bible
But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
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MatthewG
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Revelation 22:
16“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the bright Morning Star.”
17The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” Let the one who hears say, “Come!” And let the one who is thirsty come, and the one who desires the water of life drink freely.
God by the Spirit is calling people to come to the knowledge of the truth about his son. Quoting Romans, as a justification that none seek God. Would have me to suspect that God must elect and choose certain people to do his bidding, and without them having the ability to ever say no. That contradicts all of the scripture of people making the choice to either obey God or not obey God along the way for the people of the Nation of Israel.
Now was there a special group back in Jesus Christ day that he would return to get which would be his bride? Yes, those people were elected to be able to go and bring forth the gospel, which ended up really spreading out unto the whole of multitudes on the earth for the most part. They were part of the spotless, unblemished church which was the bride He had to come back to get.
If a person is a believer in futurism, and that they themselves are elected in such away as they are better than others and over others I believe is not really part of the Spirit of Christ or the Holy Spirit of God. People are called to do certain things in their life by and through allowing God to work in and through them, just as Noah had faith in God and trusted in God when he told them to build the arc and did so for many years.
A person that is a believer should know that they have a family of believers in the heavenly Jerusalem that are still alive and resurrected, and that as a person walks on this earth by their choice to believer in the Lord Jesus Christ makes them a child of God, which can grow in a mature Christian, just as a apple tree takes a little while to finally sprout out apples to eat. They also have a family of believers here on earth too.
For some reason it is hard to accept the notion that God has given life to every human being that is alive, be them a cold blood killer, a person who had hurt others and their families, and that because of God sending his Son, Jesus has taken care of sin for all the world, that anyone who hears the good news, and truth of the good news, that is when that faith starts to become birthed with-in them.
As you already know eventually Paul goes on from none seeking God - to people who believe in the Old Testament and how they are justified by faith, and that eventually Paul goes o to talk about how people are made right with God through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, and how it is the hearing of the word that produces trusting in things that can not be seen but are hoped for.
Such as resting in Christ, and being able to sacrifice oneself for God and man, by and through the spirit. Hard stuff.
16“I, Jesus, have sent My angel to give you this testimony for the churches. I am the Root and the Offspring of David, the bright Morning Star.”
17The Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” Let the one who hears say, “Come!” And let the one who is thirsty come, and the one who desires the water of life drink freely.
God by the Spirit is calling people to come to the knowledge of the truth about his son. Quoting Romans, as a justification that none seek God. Would have me to suspect that God must elect and choose certain people to do his bidding, and without them having the ability to ever say no. That contradicts all of the scripture of people making the choice to either obey God or not obey God along the way for the people of the Nation of Israel.
Now was there a special group back in Jesus Christ day that he would return to get which would be his bride? Yes, those people were elected to be able to go and bring forth the gospel, which ended up really spreading out unto the whole of multitudes on the earth for the most part. They were part of the spotless, unblemished church which was the bride He had to come back to get.
If a person is a believer in futurism, and that they themselves are elected in such away as they are better than others and over others I believe is not really part of the Spirit of Christ or the Holy Spirit of God. People are called to do certain things in their life by and through allowing God to work in and through them, just as Noah had faith in God and trusted in God when he told them to build the arc and did so for many years.
A person that is a believer should know that they have a family of believers in the heavenly Jerusalem that are still alive and resurrected, and that as a person walks on this earth by their choice to believer in the Lord Jesus Christ makes them a child of God, which can grow in a mature Christian, just as a apple tree takes a little while to finally sprout out apples to eat. They also have a family of believers here on earth too.
For some reason it is hard to accept the notion that God has given life to every human being that is alive, be them a cold blood killer, a person who had hurt others and their families, and that because of God sending his Son, Jesus has taken care of sin for all the world, that anyone who hears the good news, and truth of the good news, that is when that faith starts to become birthed with-in them.
As you already know eventually Paul goes on from none seeking God - to people who believe in the Old Testament and how they are justified by faith, and that eventually Paul goes o to talk about how people are made right with God through faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, and how it is the hearing of the word that produces trusting in things that can not be seen but are hoped for.
Such as resting in Christ, and being able to sacrifice oneself for God and man, by and through the spirit. Hard stuff.
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MatthewG
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John 3:Men love darkness.
King James Bible
But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness. If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed.21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.
This is a great statement by the very Word of God made flesh.
There is simply now today a fight between the soul of an individual between (Light - Darkness).
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1Mind1Spirit
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How is it you do not understand my speech?Yore hick speech has shot you in the foot. “No body can’t,” therefore anyone can.
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shroom
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It’s true that we all sin and fall (far) short of the glory of God, but Paul is quoting specific OT scripture concerning specific situations. Several of the quotes are from Psalms, where David is talking about fools, his enemies, and the wicked.It doesn't say most won't seek Him. It says none. He wasn't quoting a promise, he was quoting an indictment on all mankind, past, present, future. Paul says later in this Romans discours. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. All are under the same condemnation.
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shroom
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lol… I do. You made a mess and stepped in it.How is it you do not understand my speech?