Why does God give over people to a reprobate mind?

[Sissy]

Romans 1:26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged natural relations for that which is contrary to nature,27 and likewise the men, too, abandoned natural relations [a]with women and burned in their desire toward one another, males with males committing [b]shameful acts and receiving in [c]their own persons the due penalty of their error.

28 And just as they did not see fit [d]to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a depraved mind, to do those things that are not proper, 29 people having been filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, and evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice; they are gossips,

Scripture is full of stories when God gives over people due to their rebellion of Him.
But it is also full of stories when God reaches out to and blesses the same ones He gave over earlier.

 

[Sissy]

No. God gave man free will, and He respects each person's choice. He wants everyone to "choose life," He does not enable only some to do so.

Agreed.
From Adam onward, all had the choice to make.

 

[Comingfrom]

No, he doesn't.
God is no respecter of persons.
One should be glad that in his mercy he didn't.

His promise says otherwise.

For I will have respect unto you, and make you fruitful, and multiply you,
and establish My covenant with you.
Leviticus 26:9

Study to shew thyself approved unto God,
a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2 Timothy 2:15

 

[Legroom]

Romans 1:26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged natural relations for that which is contrary to nature,27 and likewise the men, too, abandoned natural relations [a]with women and burned in their desire toward one another, males with males committing [b]shameful acts and receiving in [c]their own persons the due penalty of their error.

28 And just as they did not see fit [d]to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a depraved mind, to do those things that are not proper, 29 people having been filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, and evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice; they are gossips,

Because Gods gay children are being natural, they are created that way. Scripture was written by heterosexual men with the free will to write. They had free will to claim that their writings were Gods writings. Today we have the free will to reject untruths.

Christianity has persecuted many people over the ages using the scripture as a false foundation for its bigoted attitude.

 

[freelight]

Romans 1:26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged natural relations for that which is contrary to nature,27 and likewise the men, too, abandoned natural relations [a]with women and burned in their desire toward one another, males with males committing [b]shameful acts and receiving in [c]their own persons the due penalty of their error.

28 And just as they did not see fit [d]to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a depraved mind, to do those things that are not proper, 29 people having been filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, and evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice; they are gossips,

As noted earlier, we have the gift of 'free will' in so far as 'God' gives us liberty to choose good or evil, or whatever we can potentially or possibly DO. One can tend the divine or good elements within him and allow them liberty or the evil more bestial selfish side of his soul, as Paul further elaborates,....whatever nature or tendency one sows towards, the fruit of that he shall reap, for such is a universal law.

All evil, disintegration, 'sin', suffering' degradation is obviously allowed by 'God' in the imprefect and unevolved realms of conditional existence,...this world is one of 'duality', 'polarity', 'multiplicity', 'imperfection', 'fragmentation'......the good news is that we can learn, grow, evolve and be 'saved' from the effects of 'sin' and 'death', by receiving the GIFT of immortality via 'Christ'.

Iniquity fully ripened and culminated leads to 'death', 'disintegration'.....so obedience to divine love, law, will....leads to life, wholeness, perfection, progress. - the human 'mind' can attend whatever influence is available to it and foster that to whatever end result it may produce,...again all within the range of freedom of choice. The gift of 'free will' then ought to be highly prized for its positive potential towards good and one's eternal survival and JOY, but we can also choose the path of 'sin' which leads to ruin.

In this context freedom of choice is available to all; Deity is no respector of persons in that all have to them the availability to choose, and have the consequences of such CHOICE, for the Father gives liberally to all, whether good or evil, but those who choose divine love and forgiveness, these alone enter into the perfection of such a state (heaven) and can thereby be 'saved' from any 'state' or 'condition' that is not love.

Forgive and YOU will be forgiven, by the natural consequence of the action, and the law works its own activity and results. As you choose love and life, and to FORGIVE others and yourself, you are forgiven and free to abide in the Father's love. Love is its own law, and those wholly abiding in love are a law unto themselves, for this fundamental law of being, fulfills all other relations.

Beyond a debate on what elements or factors cause a person to choose good or evil, 'God' obviously has allowed the potential and possibitlies of BOTH good and evil to PLAY out in the field of human experience. 'God' by nature will continue to allow any mind a way back home to its source which is undivided and whole, back to peace and sanity.....as long as such a soul can still change his mind (repent) and choose a better way. Conversation and discourse between 'God' and 'soul' always exists, as long as love allows for such.



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[Ted T]

Your unitarian open theism is showing.

Your Calvinist spirit is showing....

 

[Pipiripi]

Romans 1:26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged natural relations for that which is contrary to nature,27 and likewise the men, too, abandoned natural relations [a]with women and burned in their desire toward one another, males with males committing [b]shameful acts and receiving in [c]their own persons the due penalty of their error.

28 And just as they did not see fit [d]to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a depraved mind, to do those things that are not proper, 29 people having been filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, and evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, and malice; they are gossips,

2 Thessalonians 2:8-12!!

 

[MatthewG]

2 Thessalonians 2:8-12!!

That would go good with eschatology. Revelation.

 

[Pipiripi]

That would go good with eschatology. Revelation.

Not only that, but it is sad to know and see how people loose their salvation, knowing that they are in error, and keep pretending that they have faith in God.

 

[MatthewG]

What does that mean really though?

 

[shroom]

Not only that, but it is sad to know and see how people loose their salvation, knowing that they are in error, and keep pretending that they have faith in God.

Who here has lost their salvation?
Who here knows they are in error?
Who here pretends they have faith in God?

 

[Pipiripi]

Who here has lost their salvation?

Those that are not spiritual.

Who here knows they are in error?

Those that are not reading the Bible the whole context, but plucking verses here and there and building their own imagination stories.

Who here pretends they have faith in God?

Those that have faith but not work. They pretending that only through faith they are saved, but ignoring what James has said about faith without work.

Now! Are you in this group of people here? In which one are you?

And please don't start any conversation here about this issue.
Here is the OP teaching system.