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Yep, saved by grace through trust in God and Christ. Eternal life is the gift of God - (Rom. 6:23); justification is a free gift - (Rom. 5:16); righteousness is a free gift; God's grace is said to be a gift - (Eph. 3:7) and of course many verses regarding the gift of holy spirit but I can't seem to find scriptural reference to faith/trust being a gift. Yes, Jesus is truthful and faithful. How do I know that? Because I believe all that is written concerning him.We are saved by grace, through faith---so if salvation is the gift, so is faith. It is Christ's faith that caused Him to resist all temptation, to obey all of the law and to die on that cross. I covered that in the OP. We must have this same type of faith that Jesus is truthful and faithful to all that is said about Him and us. We can't just decide to have it or take it for ourselves. It is a faith that is beyond our sinful abilities. It must be given.
I agree, we think quite differently. I will probably misunderstand again but if, as we seemed to agree - faith means trust and trust means the firm belief in the reliability, truth, ability, or strength of someone or something and God gives that to me - how is that actually me trusting Him?You have a really hard time understanding what I mean by what I say. I am not putting that forth as an accusation, but just a fact. We think differently---in different ways. And to even try and untangle that will no doubt, and I fear it, for it is very uncomfortable, only result in further misunderstanding, and eventually, where we always end up for this very reason. The faith we do not have and need God places in us. The new heart. And then it is genuine faith in Jesus. That is the best I can do with the distortion made.
It is not my aim to distort what you are saying - if it was I wouldn't follow up with questions.
I will agree that Christ's complete trust in his Father gave him the strength to walk in total obedience - Not my will but as you will. (Matt. 6:39, John 5:30, 6:38) Yes, he did it for us.It was Christ's complete trust in what God sent Him to do that motivated His obedience as Son of man. He did it for God. He did it for us. Covered in the OP.
Okay.What I put forth in the OP has been a long time coming, and I have been able to see it from familiarity with the Bible. It is not my own understanding; it is what is there.
Okay.Of course, it comes from His word. Where else would it come from?
True, not all will trust what they hear - that is a given. It is the word of God that opens eyes, ears, and hearts - that's where trust comes from when it's mixed with trust in what is heard.Everyone who reads the Bible has those same witnesses. Not all have faith in Christ. And yes, they are there for our assurance and confidence, and is where our hope is placed. They may very well be what leads someone to Christ, but not until their eyes and ears have been opened, the heart softened. How a thing looks to us, is not always how a thing is. And it doesn't matter in the long run and is not really what the thread is about. I was trying to point out what was lost in the garden, and how we get it back. Lack of trust in God alone is the bain of man's existence without Christ. It is the very root and cause of all sins
Yes, trust was lost in the garden and we get it back through trust in God and our Lord Jesus Christ and all that was accomplished through his death and resurrection.
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