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Obedience to God and Jesus is not a requirement for salvation?

You can see it, but you can't quote it, and explain, for me?
and for the congregation to see.

It is enough, that your spirit has proclaimed?
Here is your confession:
The fact is, CF, you spiritualize many of God's commands and do them in your own unique way rather than the way God said to do it in the bible. This makes it convenient to claim that you obey God. If I also change God's commands to be more to my liking I too can be "perfect."

Of course I do.


I believe the words Jesus spoke, and the word which He commanded Moses, is the truth.
The truth by which we can try spirits.

For the word of the Lord is right; and all His works are done in truth.
Psalm 33:4
You say the words Jesus spoke and the word He commanded Moses to speak and then you quote David as your autority. This is mixed up CF
If there is such a word as 'legalist', then the opposite of a legalist would be an 'illegalist'.
And frankly, I rather be on the side of the law.

For the Lord is our judge, the Lord is our lawgiver, the Lord is our king;
He will save us.

Isaiah 33:22
There is no such word as "illlegalist." You are probably searching for antinomian. Most legalist can't wrap their head around the fact that being saved by Grace doesn't necessarily make one anti-law.
 
He speaks to us through the scriptures, and the working of the Holy Spirit in us. That does not mean that whatever we imagine in our mind is the Holy Spirit. It does not mean that whatever interpretation we give to a scripture is the Holy Spirit. It all has to line up with the whole counsel of God. It does not mean that everyone who says they have the Holy Spirit indwelling them, does.It does not mean that we never make mistakes in our understanding. It does not mean that we do not have to use our minds and intelligence.
So you do not believe the LORD speaks to man in an audible voice?
 
You were the one asking.
And I figured Moon would see it too.

😘
I do know now. It is not that I disagree, though. Even though the word salvation is a loaded term, only God can bring you into his kingdom. You can't raise yourself from the dead.

That said, the lost don't escape the part of the kingdom of God which contains Hades, and Hell. It might not be endless, but it does hurt.
 
Here is your confession:
Ah, thank you. Now I know what offended your right eye.
Now I know what you are talking about.

But of course, you left off repeating the saying from St Paul I put with that.

God is a Spirit, and His law is spiritual, and pertains to heavenly things.
It is the gospel of the kingdom, for heaven's sake.
Leastwise that is what Jesus showed me.
And that is what law itself so plainly says, if you read it.

Behold, I have set the land before you:
go in and possess the land which the Lord sware unto your fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob,
to give unto them and to their seed after them.

Deuteronomy 1:8

You say the words Jesus spoke and the word He commanded Moses to speak and then you quote David as your autority. This is mixed up CF
Does not the Lord speak through all His prophets in the Bible?
If not, why are their writings in there?
You are the one mixed up here.

It is the same voice, the Lord's voice, from Genesis to Revelation, to me.

Blessed is he that readeth,
and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein:
for the time is at hand.

Revelation 1:3

There is no such word as "illlegalist." You are probably searching for antinomian. Most legalist can't wrap their head around the fact that being saved by Grace doesn't necessarily make one anti-law.
But who is Grace, and how do you call Her?
[My turn to ask you questions now. If I may?]

Jesus is the Saviour, isn't He?
He saved me.

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Romans 10:9
 
I do know now. It is not that I disagree, though. Even though the word salvation is a loaded term, only God can bring you into his kingdom. You can't raise yourself from the dead.
It is as easy as losing your life.
Which still wasn't easy for me, I will say,
but at a guess, a lot easier than trying to raise myself up.

For whosoever will save his life shall lose it:
and whosoever will lose his life for My sake shall find it.

Matthew 16:25

That said, the lost don't escape the part of the kingdom of God which contains Hades, and Hell. It might not be endless, but it does hurt.

Two sayings jumped to mind when I read that.

And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob,
shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.

Isaiah 10:20

Watch ye therefore, and pray always,
that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass,
and to stand before the Son of man.

Luke 21:36
 
Ah, thank you. Now I know what offended your right eye.
Now I know what you are talking about.
Checked with my right eye, it says everything is good with it: no complaints. My left one was a bit grumpy though and I asked it what was the matter, It replied, "That right eye and me, something smells between us."
But of course, you left off repeating the saying from St Paul I put with that.

God is a Spirit, and His law is spiritual, and pertains to heavenly things.
It is the gospel of the kingdom, for heaven's sake.
Leastwise that is what Jesus showed me.
And that is what law itself so plainly says, if you read it.
So describe you experience with Jesus. How was he manifest to you?
Behold, I have set the land before you:
go in and possess the land which the Lord sware unto your fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob,
to give unto them and to their seed after them.

Deuteronomy 1:8


Does not the Lord speak through all His prophets in the Bible?
If not, why are their writings in there?
You are the one mixed up here.
My dear fellow, have you never heard of the 3 w's who, what and why? Quite important to decoding written words into cogent thought. Who was it written to, what was said, and why was it said.

As it is you have turned the bible into a cafe. In this cafe, you are god and get to decide which texts to use for your religion and what that text means. You can utter complete nonsense such as knowing when someones eye is offended or you can take a text and completely recreate its meanings turning mooing bullocks into certain sins.

To some this may pass as wisdom but it really is simply creativity. In the end, no harm no foul unless you hook the gullible.
It is the same voice, the Lord's voice, from Genesis to Revelation, to me.

Blessed is he that readeth,
and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein:
for the time is at hand.

Revelation 1:3


But who is Grace, and how do you call Her?
[My turn to ask you questions now. If I may?]

Jesus is the Saviour, isn't He?
He saved me.

That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised Him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

Romans 10:9
Of course it is. Read text insert meaning here. Quite a system you have going. And yet you can't articulate exactly what Jesus did to save you other than He washed you. What does that mean? He ran you through the local car wash?
 
You were the one asking.
And I figured Moon would see it too.

😘
You ought to know I don't get beating around the bush type of talk.

there are too many of them.

And I know they just don't want to say it right out to deceive the hearers.

I am a straight shooter which is an honest way and of God.
 
Checked with my right eye, it says everything is good with it: no complaints. My left one was a bit grumpy though and I asked it what was the matter, It replied, "That right eye and me, something smells between us."
I plucked out my right eye early in my walk with Jesus.
As soon as I figured out what Jesus meant.

And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee:
for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish,
and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Matthew 5:29


So describe you experience with Jesus. How was he manifest to you?
He comes up in the midst of us in a moment.
Be ready for Him.

Be ye therefore ready also:
for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

Luke 12:40

For the Lord had said unto Moses,
Say unto the children of Israel, Ye are a stiffnecked people:
I will come up into the midst of thee in a moment, and consume thee:
therefore now put off thy ornaments from thee, that I may know what to do unto thee.

Exodus 33:5

My dear fellow, have you never heard of the 3 w's who, what and why? Quite important to decoding written words into cogent thought. Who was it written to, what was said, and why was it said.
w1: God's word is not speaking to you?
w2: What has God's word to with you?
w3: Why would anyone bother with God's word?

... when He was only talking to His children.

Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the Lord hath spoken,
I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against Me.
The ox knoweth his owner, and the donkey his master's crib:
but Israel doth not know, My people doth not consider.

Isaiah 1:2-3

As it is you have turned the bible into a cafe. In this cafe, you are god and get to decide which texts to use for your religion and what that text means. You can utter complete nonsense such as knowing when someones eye is offended or you can take a text and completely recreate its meanings turning mooing bullocks into certain sins.
If you turn at His reproof, He will pour out His spirit upon you,
and He will make known His words to you.

But I think you don't want to know.
You are happy with your current understanding. Yes?

The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit:
a broken and a contrite heart, O God, Thou wilt not despise.
Do good in Thy good pleasure unto Zion:
build Thou the walls of Jerusalem.
Then shalt Thou be pleased with the sacrifices of righteousness,
with burnt offering and whole burnt offering:
then shall they offer bullocks upon Thine altar.

Psalm 51:17-19

To some this may pass as wisdom but it really is simply creativity. In the end, no harm no foul unless you hook the gullible.
I am saying to believe Jesus, my friend.
And until we do get to stand in His presence, we have only the written word.

But He answered and said, It is written,
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Matthew 4:4

And this is love, that we walk after His commandments.
This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

2 John 1:6

Of course it is. Read text insert meaning here. Quite a system you have going. And yet you can't articulate exactly what Jesus did to save you other than He washed you. What does that mean? He ran you through the local car wash?

It means, that when I stood in His presence, in my prayer, He cleansed my soul of my sins.
I'm sorry, I cannot describe to you how He does that.

He also cast another devil or two out of me, at each sabbath prayer I made
And eventually, taught me how to cast them out for myself.

And he that overcometh, and keepeth My works unto the end,
to him will I give power over the nations:
And he shall rule them with a rod of iron;
as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of My Father.

Revelation 2:26-27
 
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I plucked out my right eye early in my walk with Jesus.
As soon as I figured out what Jesus meant.

And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee:
for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish,
and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

Matthew 5:29
In your photo you appear to have both eyes. Are you trying to be a mystic?
He comes up in the midst of us in a moment.
Be ready for Him.

Be ye therefore ready also:
for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not.

Luke 12:40

For the Lord had said unto Moses,
Say unto the children of Israel, Ye are a stiffnecked people:
I will come up into the midst of thee in a moment, and consume thee:
therefore now put off thy ornaments from thee, that I may know what to do unto thee.

Exodus 33:5
Spiritual imposters always speak in vague undefined and amorphous terms. They like to sound mysterious and profound when in fact they are saying nothing at all. Come out of the shadows and tell me what it is like when Jesus comes up in the midst of people. Is he visible? Do people break out into tongues? Is there levitation? Is their smoke.

Give me a description.
w1: God's word is not speaking to you?
w2: What has God's word to with you?
w3: Why would anyone bother with God's word?

... when He was only talking to His children.

Hear, O heavens, and give ear, O earth: for the Lord hath spoken,
I have nourished and brought up children, and they have rebelled against Me.
The ox knoweth his owner, and the donkey his master's crib:
but Israel doth not know, My people doth not consider.

Isaiah 1:2-3
Sorry none of that made any sense to me.
If you turn at His reproof, He will pour out His spirit upon you,
and He will make known His words to you.

But I think you don't want to know.
You are happy with your current understanding. Yes?

The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit:
a broken and a contrite heart, O God, Thou wilt not despise.
Do good in Thy good pleasure unto Zion:
build Thou the walls of Jerusalem.
Then shalt Thou be pleased with the sacrifices of righteousness,
with burnt offering and whole burnt offering:
then shall they offer bullocks upon Thine altar.

Psalm 51:17-19
I have a current understanding but I don't discern one with you. You like the sound of your own words but they convey no meaning. They do not do anyone any good.

You have turned the entire old covenant into a mystic mess but it does not answer the question as to what God did to eliminate your debt to the law.
I am saying to believe Jesus, my friend.
And until we do get to stand in His presence, we have only the written word.

But He answered and said, It is written,
Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

Matthew 4:4

And this is love, that we walk after His commandments.
This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

2 John 1:6
This is not what you have been claiming. Before you were saying that he manifests himself to you.
It means, that when I stood in His presence, in my prayer, He cleansed my soul of my sins.
I'm sorry, I cannot describe to you how He does that.

He also cast another devil or two out of me, at each sabbath prayer I made
And eventually, taught me how to cast them out for myself.

And he that overcometh, and keepeth My works unto the end,
to him will I give power over the nations:
And he shall rule them with a rod of iron;
as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of My Father.

Revelation 2:26-27
Real devils or are you just talking about sins you engaged in? Did you have evil spirits that took control of your body?
 
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