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Obedience to God and Jesus is not a requirement for salvation?

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meshak

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"Obedience to God and Jesus is not a requirement for salvation" is anti-God and anti-Christ faith.

God and Jesus say to keep the commandments over and over in both OT and NT.
 
meshak said:
"Obedience to God and Jesus is not a requirement for salvation" is anti-God and anti-Christ faith.

God and Jesus say to keep the commandments over and over in both OT and NT.
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A sinner gets saved from drowning. Obviously his obedience didn't cause him his salvation. Stop abusing the term save.
 
meshak said:
what are you talking about?

explain yourself.
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Let me try.

What Moon is saying, is that Jesus does the saving.
and our striving to do His commandments is not what saves us.

And Moon is correct, only he omits to say,
Jesus doesn't manifest Himself to us, except we are keeping His commandments and doing them. (John 14:21)

And if we don't continue on with God's commandments, after Jesus has saved us,
our circumcision is made uncircumcision. (Romans 2:23)

And that is worse than not having been saved at all.

For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness,
than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2 Peter 2:21
 
Comingfrom said:
Let me try.

What Moon is saying, is that Jesus does the saving.
and our striving to do His commandments is not what saves us.

And Moon is correct, only he omits to say,
Jesus doesn't manifest Himself to us, except we are keeping His commandments and doing them. (John 14:21)

And if we don't continue on with God's commandments, after Jesus has saved us,
our circumcision is made uncircumcision. (Romans 2:23)

And that is worse than not having been saved at all.

For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness,
than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2 Peter 2:21
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Turning from the Holy Commandment is to put yourself back under the Law to keep yourself saved.
 
1Mind1Spirit said:
Turning from the Holy Commandment is to put yourself back under the Law to keep yourself saved.
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Who has a holier commandment than God?

And what nation is there so great, that hath statutes and judgments so righteous as all this law,
which I set before you this day?
Deuteronomy 4:8
 
Comingfrom said:
Let me try.

What Moon is saying, is that Jesus does the saving.
and our striving to do His commandments is not what saves us.

And Moon is correct, only he omits to say,
Jesus doesn't manifest Himself to us, except we are keeping His commandments and doing them. (John 14:21)

And if we don't continue on with God's commandments, after Jesus has saved us,
our circumcision is made uncircumcision. (Romans 2:23)

And that is worse than not having been saved at all.

For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness,
than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.
2 Peter 2:21
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I say God wakes the dead. Saving only happens if I have leprosy, and if Jesus then cures me. :p
 
7thMoon said:
I say God wakes the dead.
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The Lord stands at the door and knocks.

And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake,
some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament;
and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
Daniel 12:2-3

Saving only happens if I have leprosy, and if Jesus then cures me. :p
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You are curious to see if I will raise the law of leprosy?


Unto Him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in His own blood,
And hath made us kings and priests unto God and His Father;
to Him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
Revelation 1:5-6

And the priest shall look on the plague, after that it is washed:
and, behold, if the plague have not changed his colour, and the plague be not spread;
it is unclean;
thou shalt burn it in the fire;
it is fret inward, whether it be bare within or without.
And if the priest look, and, behold, the plague be somewhat dark after the washing of it;
then he shall rend it out of the garment, or out of the skin, or out of the warp, or out of the woof:
And if it appear still in the garment, either in the warp, or in the woof, or in any thing of skin;
it is a spreading plague:
thou shalt burn that wherein the plague is with fire.
And the garment, either warp, or woof, or whatsoever thing of skin it be, which thou shalt wash,
if the plague be departed from them, then it shall be washed the second time, and shall be clean.
Leviticus 13:55-58

And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest.
And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation,
and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Revelation 7:14

This is the law of the plague of leprosy in a garment of woollen or linen,
either in the warp, or woof, or any thing of skins,
to pronounce it clean, or to pronounce it unclean.
Leviticus 13:59

Remember Miriam.
❤️
 
Comingfrom said:
Let me try.

What Moon is saying, is that Jesus does the saving.
and our striving to do His commandments is not what saves us.
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God is the Savior.

And He says to keep the commandments.

You are promoting the same thing as illigalists.

Here is proof of some of my claims.

1. John 14:15
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“If you love Me, keep My commandments.

2. John 14:21
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He who has My commandments and keeps them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and manifest Myself to him.”

3. John 15:10
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If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.

4. 1 John 2:3
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The Test of Knowing Him ] Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.

5. 1 John 2:4
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He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

6. 1 John 3:22
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And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.

7. 1 John 3:24
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The Spirit of Truth and the Spirit of Error ] Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.

8. 1 John 5:2
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By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and keep His commandments.

9. 1 John 5:3
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For this is the love of God, that we keep His commandments. And His commandments are not burdensome.

10. Revelation 12:17
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And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

11. Revelation 14:12
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Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

12. Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


13. Matthew 3:10
And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

Jesus is the Messenger of God.

And God says to listen to Jesus.
 
Thank you, Meshak.

I do agree with you, God the Father is our Saviour.
Jesus admitted it here...

but to sit on My right hand, and on My left, is not Mine to give,
but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared of My Father.
Matthew 20:23b

and here...

No man can come to Me, except the Father which hath sent Me draw him:
and I will raise Him up at the last day.
John 6:44

❤️
 
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