Why the Law Works the Wrath of God, Romans 4:15

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The word that Paul preached was the Gospel.

The Mosiac law has been replaced with Christ and his Gospel. It is the new and living way. The Old Covenant and the law was a ministration of death, 2 Corinthians 3:7-18. It was a ministration of death because it demanded absolute perfection or judgment. "The soul that sins must die". Thankfully, Jesus fulfilled and abolished it by nailing it to his cross, Colossians 2:14.

But what saith it?
The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart:
that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Romans 10:8

 

[robert pate]

But what saith it?
The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart:
that is, the word of faith, which we preach;
Romans 10:8

The word of faith, which we preach is the Gospel. In the Gospel Jesus justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles them unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

 

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The word of faith, which we preach is the Gospel. In the Gospel Jesus justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5 and reconciles them unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

And think not, who will go up to heaven and get it for us.
The word "ungodly" means they are not justified before God.
God burns them up as chaff with unquenchable fire.

So maybe you need to reprove your interpretations.

Whose fan is in His hand,
and He will thoroughly purge His floor, and will gather the wheat into His garner;
but the chaff He will burn with fire unquenchable.
Luke 3:17

For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous:
but the way of the ungodly shall perish.
Psalm 1:6

 

[robert pate]

And think not, who will go up to heaven and get it for us.
The word "ungodly" means they are not justified before God.
God burns them up as chaff with unquenchable fire.

So maybe you need to reprove your interpretations.

Whose fan is in His hand,
and He will thoroughly purge His floor, and will gather the wheat into His garner;
but the chaff He will burn with fire unquenchable.
Luke 3:17

For the Lord knoweth the way of the righteous:
but the way of the ungodly shall perish.
Psalm 1:6

You are making Paul out to be a liar. Paul says that Jesus justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5. If you don't believe that you are ungodly then you won't qualify to be justified. Remember, Jesus said that he came into the world to save sinners.

 

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You are making Paul out to be a liar. Paul says that Jesus justifies the ungodly, Romans 4:5. If you don't believe that you are ungodly then you won't qualify to be justified. Remember, Jesus said that he came into the world to save sinners.

If you were justified by Jesus, then you wouldn't be ungodly anymore.
Because Jesus reconciles us to God, and abolishes any enmity within us that we may have against God's words,
so that we can be godly.

It is right what St Paul said,
but I don't believe he meant it to mean we are justified while we are still being ungodly,
and rejecting God's law.

You are misusing that verse to justify you.

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind,
that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Romans 12:2

 

[robert pate]

If you were justified by Jesus, then you wouldn't be ungodly anymore.
Because Jesus reconciles us to God, and abolishes any enmity within us that we may have against God's words,
so that we can be godly.

It is right what St Paul said,
but I don't believe he meant it to mean we are justified while we are still being ungodly,
and rejecting God's law.

You are misusing that verse to justify you.

And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind,
that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
Romans 12:2

As long as we are in these Adamic bodies we are ungodly. Our Adamic bodies have not been redeemed yet, Romans 8:23. This is why Paul referred to himself as "The Chief of sinners" 1 Timothy 1:15. The perfect will of God is that you trust in his Son Jesus Christ for your salvation and not laws and religion, Romans 12:2.

 

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As long as we are in these Adamic bodies we are ungodly. Our Adamic bodies have not been redeemed yet, Romans 8:23. This is why Paul referred to himself as "The Chief of sinners" 1 Timothy 1:15.

So?
To me, that just means we have work a bit harder to overcome the flesh.

Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation:
the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
Matthew 26:41

The perfect will of God is that you trust in his Son Jesus Christ for your salvation and not laws and religion, Romans 12:2.

God and Jesus gave us a law.
Don't you trust Their word?

Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness,
and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.James
James 1:21

 

[robert pate]

So?
To me, that just means we have work a bit harder to overcome the flesh.

Watch and pray, that ye enter not into temptation:
the spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.
Matthew 26:41








God and Jesus gave us a law.
Don't you trust Their word?

Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness,
and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.James
James 1:21

Jesus Christ has ALREADY defeated the world, the flesh and the devil. You cannot overcome the flesh; you can only trust in the one that has.

Jesus gave the law to show you that you are a sinner in need of a savior.

 

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Jesus Christ has ALREADY defeated the world, the flesh and the devil. You cannot overcome the flesh; you can only trust in the one that has.

Then why all the promises to overcomers, in Revelation chapters 2 & 3?

For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world:
and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
1 John 5:4-5

Jesus gave the law to show you that you are a sinner in need of a savior.

When your wife commands to do the dishes,
is that just to show you that you need a dishwasher?

When someone commands something, it is because they want you to do it.
Isn't it?

I can hardly believe I have to point this out.

Ye are My friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
John 15:15

You'll be your wife's friend too,
if you do what ever she commands.

 

[robert pate]

Then why all the promises to overcomers, in Revelation chapters 2 & 3?

For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world:
and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
1 John 5:4-5


When your wife commands to do the dishes,
is that just to show you that you need a dishwasher?

When someone commands something, it is because they want you to do it.
Isn't it?

I can hardly believe I have to point this out.

Ye are My friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
John 15:15

You'll be your wife's friend too,
if you do what ever she commands.

If you are ever going to learn the truth you will have to learn it from Paul who was a New Covenant born again Christian. You continue to quote Old Covenant law and religion that has been abolished. Jesus nailed it to his cross, Colossians 2:14. The reason that Jesus nailed it to his cross is because it is no longer applicable for Christians that are led by the Holy Spirit.

 

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If you are ever going to learn the truth you will have to learn it from Paul who was a New Covenant born again Christian.

God's word is the truth, and I believe Paul was pointing us to it.
I believe that is what his faith was in.

Were you an old covenant Jew before Paul converted you into a new covenant Christian?
I wasn't.
I was a Gentile before converting, so God's everlasting covenant was new for me.

And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good;
but I will put My fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from Me.
Jeremiah 32:40

Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh,
that at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel,
and strangers from the covenants of promise,
having no hope, and without God in the world:
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Ephesians 2:11-13

You continue to quote Old Covenant law and religion that has been abolished.

It is only abolished from your flesh.
The Lord abolished my enmity against it, so He could write His laws in my heart and mind.

Paul was quoting the Old Testament too, so how can you say it has been abolished.
This is his rendition of Jeremiah 31:33

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord;
I will put My laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts:
and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to Me a people:
Hebrews 8:10

And how do you check those laws which are written in your heart,
to know if they are God's laws,
if God's law has been abolished?

Jesus nailed it to his cross, Colossians 2:14.

Since Jesus was God's word come in the flesh, and He was nailed to a crucifix,
you could say that.

But how does that help anybody?
How does that teach us His commandment? so we can walk in His righteousness.

And He said to them all,
If any man will come after Me,
let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me.
Luke 9:23

The reason that Jesus nailed it to his cross is because it is no longer applicable for Christians that are led by the Holy Spirit.

That is a Christian's choice.

Just because Jesus was nailed to a crucifix doesn't mean we can't take up our cross.
Does it.

And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after Me, is not worthy of Me.
Matthew 10:38

 

[robert pate]

God's word is the truth, and I believe Paul was pointing us to it.
I believe that is what his faith was in.

Were you an old covenant Jew before Paul converted you into a new covenant Christian?
I wasn't.
I was a Gentile before converting, so God's everlasting covenant was new for me.

And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good;
but I will put My fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from Me.
Jeremiah 32:40

Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh,
that at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel,
and strangers from the covenants of promise,
having no hope, and without God in the world:
But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
Ephesians 2:11-13



It is only abolished from your flesh.
The Lord abolished my enmity against it, so He could write His laws in my heart and mind.

Paul was quoting the Old Testament too, so how can you say it has been abolished.
This is his rendition of Jeremiah 31:33

For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord;
I will put My laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts:
and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to Me a people:
Hebrews 8:10

And how do you check those laws which are written in your heart,
to know if they are God's laws,
if God's law has been abolished?



Since Jesus was God's word come in the flesh, and He was nailed to a crucifix,
you could say that.

But how does that help anybody?
How does that teach us His commandment? so we can walk in His righteousness.

And He said to them all,
If any man will come after Me,
let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me.
Luke 9:23


That is a Christian's choice.

Just because Jesus was nailed to a crucifix doesn't mean we can't take up our cross.
Does it.

And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after Me, is not worthy of Me.
Matthew 10:38

To be led by the law is to be under the curse, Galatians 3:10. To be under the law is to be judged by the law and condemned because the law is a ministration of death, 2 Corinthians 3:7.