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Why I believe Trinity Or Jesus is god doctrine is a false god worshipping doctrine.

Mattathias said:
If hardly anyone changes their mind about anything then how much sharpening is really taking place?
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One thing has NOTHING to do with the other thing. The sharpening has to do with sharpening one’s argument. One cannot be a trinitarian without being a mystical dualist.

Mattathias said:
Some trinitarians believe that God died.
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Not truly. They invoke dualism or attempt to reinvent the meaning of what it means to be dead.
 
Wrangler said:
One thing has NOTHING to do with the other thing. The sharpening has to do with sharpening one’s argument.
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I think it has to do with sharpening one another’s minds.


Wrangler said:
Not truly. They invoke dualism or attempt to reinvent the meaning of what it means to be dead.
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Some do and some don’t. R.C. Sproul wrote a good article against those trinitarians who say and teach that God died.

www.ligonier.org

Did God Die on the Cross?

The famous hymn of the church “And Can it Be?” contains a line that asks a very poignant question: “How can it be that thou, my God, shouldst die for me?” Is it
www.ligonier.org www.ligonier.org
 
Mattathias said:
It does to you and it does to me but it doesn’t to trinitarians.
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That Jesus died is a fact. This fact contradicts trinitarian dogma. Trinitarians don’t accept the prove via the dualism and mysticism I mentioned.

The is the pivot point - not trinitarians subjectivism and denial of logic.
 
Wrangler said:
That Jesus died is a fact.
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A fact which I haven’t heard any trinitarian dispute.

Wrangler said:
This fact contradicts trinitarian dogma.
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Trinitarians, obviously, don’t think that it does. (If they did they would cease to be trinitarian.)

Wrangler said:
Trinitarians don’t accept the prove via the dualism and mysticism I mentioned.

The is the pivot point - not trinitarians subjectivism and denial of logic.
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God-Man theology isn’t, and never has been, based upon logic. It’s a mystery.

Trinitarians don’t accept the proof you offer them.

All you can do is ask them to consider it. The 99 won’t. What about the 1 who will? The 99 will huddle around them and shout, “Wolf!”
 
Congratulation! The trinitarian considered it and has decided, much to the chagrin of his fellows, to leave trinitarianism.

What has the former trinitarian replaced his theology with?

Non-trinitarianism? Certainly.

What form of non-trinitarianism? Not as certain. A new struggle has begun.
 
Mattathias said:
Trinitarians, obviously, don’t think that it does. (If they did they would cease to be trinitarian.)
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No. You are using trinitarian subjectivism as the standard.

If I don’t think oil is lighter than oil, it does not change the fact.

Point is, trinitarians don’t think right. They twist everything to support their IDOLATRY.
 
The Trinity is real. In Genisis, God said "let US make man in our image"....; when Moses asked the burning bush who he should say sent him, the reply was "I AM"; and in the gospel of John, Jesus said "Before Abraham was, I AM". And also in John, Jesus says the Father will send the Helper, the Holy Spirit....; The Holy Spirit is mentioned many times.
So from the beginning of the Bible, we have a plurality in God. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Jesus referred to the Father many times; when Jesus was baptized, a voice from heaven said 'this is my son" and the Holy Spirit descended like a dove.
For ne argument about Jesus not being God because He died, wrong! Jesus the man suffered and died but the God part did not die; that Part was set aside so that He could suffer the punishment for our sins and take on the full wrath of God so that we could be spared.
Believe what is written in the Bible. Be saved. Or turn your back and suffer.
 
Wrangler said:
This is why I often ask what set of words would prove the trinity is false.
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No set of words is guaranteed to prove the Trinity false to a trinitarian.

Wrangler said:
Trinitarians do not have a rejection criteria.
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Everyone has an acceptance and rejection criteria.

For my Catholic relatives on my wife’s side of the family the acceptance / rejection criteria is, “The Church teaches …”.
 
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