When you say that God predestinates people to hell before they are born, that is outright blaspheme against God.
I am inclined to agree with you, but it's not blasphemy that will condemn someone to hell, and suggesting that a Calvinist would be better off being an athiest is a cheap lying insult.
Yeppers.Ain't it great to be able to patiently share your opinion?
When you say Jesus laid down His life and that paid the debt (atoned) for the sins of all people of all time, and then turn around and say---not really 'cause most people still die and face the wrath of God for their sins anyway, that is blasphemy. It makes God collect payment for all these sins from Jesus' sacrifice, made Him die to do so, and then most of the time turned around and collected also from the sinner. It makes God unjust with His injustice aimed right at the Christ.
Calvinism is not compatible with the Bible; this is why there is so much controversy about it. Example, "God so loves the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" John 3:16. This one scripture should tell you that there is something wrong with Calvinism.
You say that Calvinism is not compatible with the Bible---and yet it is. The only way so far that you have been able to support this statement is by not telling the truth about what it teaches. And you continue in these gross misrepresentations even after you have been shown by those who are Calvinist or Reformed and from direct quotes from Calvin and Luther themselves. So it would appear that you are engaged in deception. Now this may be because you simply have no ability to grasp or understand what is being said, or that like those who lied about Stephen to have him killed and stop preaching the gospel, you have simply stopped up your ears.
You make another long rambling post with 0 scripture.
No I'm not. Why do you keep saying that even though I have told you countless times that I believe in the person and work of Jesus, and only Him and that, for salvation, and that I believe it comes from faith. I perceive you also do not know what justification is or why we needed justified and how Jesus accomplished that. Not only that but you have added to the gospel something that was never there. That we have to believe that Jesus paid for the sins of every person past present and future. You add that and only because, as you have said, "world" only has one application and one meaning and it is the one you give it that is its true meaning. Even though that makes no sense.
Evidently not as a great many are still going to hell and a great many are there already.
Evidently not as a great many are still going to hell and a great many are there already.
That would have Jesus atoning (paying their just penalty) for the sins of many who languish in hell and face the wrath of God. How awful!! What blasphemy against the power of our Lord and His shed blood.
Yup. But you have added to the faith something that isn't there. Universal atonement.
The faith that saves is a gift from God. It says so in Eph 2. LOUD AND CLEAR. When God gives something it is given. He is not like a man who says here, take it and it's yours. And if you don't take it, I will withdraw it. No God is greater than us. He gives because He loves us, not leaving it up to us to receive it. You need to get the perspective between God and man right. It will help your understanding a great deal.
Right. They heard and when they heard it they believed what they heard. That is all it says about that. There is no discussion of choosing to believe it, of receiving it by choice. It simply says they heard and they believed. No need to add words to fit a theology. Take the theology from the words.
People are not robots that have been programmed to believe the Gospel. You believe terrible things about God. Worse yet you believe that Jesus failed to atone for the sins of the whole world, which makes him a failure. You believe terrible things about Jesus. What you believe about God and his Son Jesus Christ is not saving faith.
No one said people are robots programmed to believe the Gospel. It is a straw man argument. I believe nothing about God to be terrible. That is you who do that. You think He sends Jesus to the cross to die and atone for the sins of all people, and then in spite of Jesus having already suffered and died for them, you think God takes back the atonement. You have no clue what an atonement is and I suspect you will go the rest of your life denying that the atonement is an atonement because of what I view as stubborn stupidity. Therefore it might be safe to presume that, because of that, what you add to the gospel that isn't there, and what you take away from it that is there, you do not have saving faith. You have appeared to flat out reject the gospel and replaced it with a different gospel. It is not me who believes terrible things about Jesus, it is you. You actually lay claim by your own words that you believe terrible things about the gospel. All you have against me is what you say I believe, which is NOT what I believe. ANd all you can do is not listen to what I say so you can keep repeating what I consider blasphemy. But like all the rest of us, your fate is in God's hands. My security is that I am in Jesus according to the Bible. Given the different gospel you preach, and the different Jesus that you have put your faith in---according to my understanding of your own words---you are not. Your faith is in yourself.
No, you are not "In Christ" you are in John Calvin. If Jesus had not atoned for the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2, then Jesus would not be "The King of Kings and the Lord of Lords" Revelation 19:16. Worse yet, he would still be in Joseph's new tomb. The reason that God resurrected Jesus from the grave is because he victoriously defeated sin, death and the devil. All sin, not some sin, limited atonement is a damnable lie. Limited atonement is an indication that one does not have faith in Christ. You will never see heaven if you believe that Jesus failed to atone for the sins of the world.
I pity you Robert.