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The Gospel that Reconciles You, Me and the World unto God

You are right in a way! God authored the Bible so a child could read and come away with the gospel of Jesus Christ or one can dig deep and find the true meanings of GOD's word...

In Proverbs 25:2..."It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter."

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Right, The Gospel is so simple that even a small child can hear, believe and be saved. This is why Paul said, "So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God" Romans 10:17. This is what happened on the day of Pentecost. 8,000 Jews heard Peter's Gospel and were saved. They were saved because they heard and believed.
 
By saying that Babies are born in Sin does not mean they have already sinned...What it means is that they have inherited the sin nature that all men inherit.
The supposed proof that they are guilty of this sin nature even though they have supposedly never chosen to sin is that fetus, infants and babies suffer and die, the wages of sin, not of a sin nature that has never chosen sin OR there is no difference between choosing to sin or being created with a sin nature!!

Therefore if the result is the same for both choosing sin and being created with a sin nature, then the reason of this sinfulness of infants should be according to the Glory of GOD's goodness that they personally chose to sin because HE cannot, nor would ever, create any sinner and NOT to HIS being a house divided and creating them in the sin nature they will die for.

This theology is seriously askew...
 
The supposed proof that they are guilty of this sin nature even though they have supposedly never chosen to sin is that fetus, infants and babies suffer and die, the wages of sin, not of a sin nature that has never chosen sin OR there is no difference between choosing to sin or being created with a sin nature!!

Therefore if the result is the same for both choosing sin and being created with a sin nature, then the reason of this sinfulness of infants should be according to the Glory of GOD's goodness that they personally chose to sin because HE cannot, nor would ever, create any sinner and NOT to HIS being a house divided and creating them in the sin nature they will die for.

This theology is seriously askew...
You don’t seem to understand how much the sin of Adam screwed things up.
 
Right, The Gospel is so simple that even a small child can hear, believe and be saved. This is why Paul said, "So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God" Romans 10:17. This is what happened on the day of Pentecost. 8,000 Jews heard Peter's Gospel and were saved. They were saved because they heard and believed.
OK, it is not the same as saying,,,,,MyFree WIll is allowing or telling me to believe these words...Faith is alone with NO works on the part of man used or needed.

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The supposed proof that they are guilty of this sin nature even though they have supposedly never chosen to sin is that fetus, infants and babies suffer and die, the wages of sin, not of a sin nature that has never chosen sin OR there is no difference between choosing to sin or being created with a sin nature!!
No, there is a difference....everybody is born of the sin nature of Adam in the blood of the fetus. This sin nature will result after a "knowing age" (13 or so)
in sin. Innocence is never punished by our Lord.
Therefore if the result is the same for both choosing sin and being created with a sin nature, then the reason of this sinfulness of infants should be according to the Glory of GOD's goodness that they personally chose to sin because HE cannot, nor would ever, create any sinner and NOT to HIS being a house divided and creating them in the sin nature they will die for.

This theology is seriously askew...
Would you think it would be better for GOD to make a decision that everyone will-not sin and instead all will love Him? That is what your asking for......Sin brought on by Man himself and not by our Lord. A way out is given to the people but because of sin, they will not take it....'well it they are going to sent my murderous father to hell, I don't want to go to heaven either'



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You don’t seem to understand how much the sin of Adam screwed things up.
I understand the theology but I reject that Adam's sin screwed anyone up but himself...people are only liable for the sins they choose to commit, not the sins of their fathers, Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father...and woe to those whose theo-babble purports to make dark light and bitter sweet by claiming that our supposed inheriting Adam's sinful nature is not against the clear teaching of this verse.
 
Would you think it would be better for GOD to make a decision that everyone will-not sin and instead all will love Him?
Of course not. Everyone created in HIS image was created to be able able to be HIS Bride and the only way love and true marriage can be fulfilled is if the marriage proposal is accepted by a free will decision by the Bride.

That the potential bride can also by their free will reject HIM or, after accepting HIM, reject HIS commandments so that all the unforgivable sins and the redeemable sins are from the sinful desires of each person themselves, not from the will of GOD. Period.

That is what your asking for......Sin brought on by Man himself and not by our Lord.
Wow. I can't believe this. Of course sin is only brought on by the creature himself, man, spirit or angel. Anything else besmirches GOD's holiness, HIS unwillingness to abide with evil or to accept it in the least.

GOD cannot create evil!
Light cannot create darkness.
A good tree cannot put forth rotten fruit.
A stream of life giving water cannot put forth salt or brackish water.
GOODNESS cannot bring forth evil.
Inherited sin or sin by the will of GOD is anathema.

1 John 1:5 This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. Surely this means that HE cannot do or create evil in any way by any method any more than a match can be struck and darkness come out and fill a room! If you think this verse means something else I'd love to hear what that is but please, no more theology proving that creating us as men in Adam is NOT creating us to be sinners and evil.

Do we believe Mark 3:23 So Jesus called them over to him and began to speak to them in parables: How can Satan drive out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand." ? Is not the holy side of this syllogism IF GOD drives our Satan's evil, how can HE create the evil HE hates? IF GOD hates wickedness: and has no wickedness in HIM, Psalm 92:15 proclaiming, "The LORD is upright; he is my Rock, and there is no wickedness in him. and Psalm 5:4 For You are not a God who delights in wickedness; no evil can dwell with You., how can we say that HE created wicked people by having them born as men in Adam without being a house divided? Both things cannot be true at the same time because they are opposites. IF HE cannot dwell with the wicked, how can HE have created them / us, especially HIS Bride, as evil in Adam?

Matthew 7:18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Christ is good so cannot create evil people by making them human in Adam's sin, especially those HE chose before the foundation of the world to be HIS Bride!!! What foolishness is this??

James 3:11 Can both fresh water and bitter water flow from the same spring? 12 My brothers, can a fig tree grow olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water. Though this is about words, how much more is it about the creation of people who are more important than words?

Isaiah 64:6 All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; ie, the unclean cannot produce that which is clean or profitable before GOD or to GOD…then how can we believe that that which is perfectly clean can produce filth and corruption?

Once we decide that the doctrine of inherited sin is blasphemy against HIS loving justice, only then will we ever be open to the truth of how we became sinners ie that all sin came from the free will decsions of the creature himself.
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Of course not. Everyone created in HIS image was created to be able able to be HIS Bride and the only way love and true marriage can be fulfilled is if the marriage proposal is accepted by a free will decision by the Bride.

That the potential bride can also by their free will reject HIM or, after accepting HIM, reject HIS commandments so that all the unforgivable sins and the redeemable sins are from the sinful desires of each person themselves, not from the will of GOD. Period.


Wow. I can't believe this. Of course sin is only brought on by the creature himself, man, spirit or angel. Anything else besmirches GOD's holiness, HIS unwillingness to abide with evil or to accept it in the least.

GOD cannot create evil!
Light cannot create darkness.
A good tree cannot put forth rotten fruit.
A stream of life giving water cannot put forth salt or brackish water.
GOODNESS cannot bring forth evil.
Inherited sin or sin by the will of GOD is anathema.

1 John 1:5 This is the message we have heard from Him and announce to you, that God is Light, and in Him there is no darkness at all. Surely this means that HE cannot do or create evil in any way by any method any more than a match can be struck and darkness come out and fill a room! If you think this verse means something else I'd love to hear what that is but please, no more theology proving that creating us as men in Adam is NOT creating us to be sinners and evil.

Do we believe Mark 3:23 So Jesus called them over to him and began to speak to them in parables: How can Satan drive out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand." ? Is not the holy side of this syllogism IF GOD drives our Satan's evil, how can HE create the evil HE hates? IF GOD hates wickedness: and has no wickedness in HIM, Psalm 92:15 proclaiming, "The LORD is upright; he is my Rock, and there is no wickedness in him. and Psalm 5:4 For You are not a God who delights in wickedness; no evil can dwell with You., how can we say that HE created wicked people by having them born as men in Adam without being a house divided? Both things cannot be true at the same time because they are opposites. IF HE cannot dwell with the wicked, how can HE have created them / us, especially HIS Bride, as evil in Adam?

Matthew 7:18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Christ is good so cannot create evil people by making them human in Adam's sin, especially those HE chose before the foundation of the world to be HIS Bride!!! What foolishness is this??

James 3:11 Can both fresh water and bitter water flow from the same spring? 12 My brothers, can a fig tree grow olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water. Though this is about words, how much more is it about the creation of people who are more important than words?

Isaiah 64:6 All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; ie, the unclean cannot produce that which is clean or profitable before GOD or to GOD…then how can we believe that that which is perfectly clean can produce filth and corruption?

Once we decide that the doctrine of inherited sin is blasphemy against HIS loving justice, only then will we ever be open to the truth of how we became sinners ie that all sin came from the free will decsions of the creature himself.
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The supposed proof that they are guilty of this sin nature even though they have supposedly never chosen to sin is that fetus, infants and babies suffer and die, the wages of sin, not of a sin nature that has never chosen sin OR there is no difference between choosing to sin or being created with a sin nature!!

Therefore if the result is the same for both choosing sin and being created with a sin nature, then the reason of this sinfulness of infants should be according to the Glory of GOD's goodness that they personally chose to sin because HE cannot, nor would ever, create any sinner and NOT to HIS being a house divided and creating them in the sin nature they will die for.

This theology is seriously askew...
God doesn't need you to cover for him.
 
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