I would not attend a church like that either. It is suspect.
Which is a cult and not Christian.
Okay.
Excuses? I do not need an excuse to find something suspicious. All I need is wisdom and common sense. And the internet is a whole different story than face to face. We have no idea who or what is behind the material we see and read.
Okay.
One of the most dangerous places is the internet for that very reason. People can completely hide who they are and what they are up to. When someone waves as many red flags (large and bright) as that CULT site did, not in a million years would I give them access to personal information---and if you donate that includes financial info. I am not saying they are illegitimate. I don't know. And I will never know unless they end up on the news. Which would be too late.
Ah, okay.
I would also be suspect of anyone who claimed authority in spiritual matters. But who do you think is doing that? Traditional Christianity itself? Because it isn't. The doctrines of traditional Christianity bow down in every case to the authority of the Bible ALONE.
Do you follow suit in that matter?
That is where the doctrines came from. And to fall back on the claim of whatever one believes being true because they have the Holy Spirit, is to presume one has the Holy Spirit, when they may or may not.
It’s clear in Romans 5:1-6 that those who have faith in Jesus in his death burial and resurrection are given the spirit. One doesn’t have to question themselves if they have it or not, but do you think it’s good to question if others have it if they profess in believing in the death, burial and resurrection?
What would give one the right to judge them if they do or don’t, even say they did something that wasn’t “Christ-like” as we all have this flesh that fails. As you stated at the end of your comments that it all rest in the finished work of Jesus Christ.
Now say you met a Catholic who prays to Mary, wouldn’t they be wrong in their approach all one can do is show them they are making an idol out of her and that is not good for Christian growth but what if they tell you wanna do what they want?
All on can say is I love you, even after suggesting that that doesn’t seem biblical to do, if you were in that situation. I have a Muslim friend I tell him Jesus die for his sins and he tells me I don’t know about that, what do I do? Love him either way, even if he doesn’t believe like myself what can you do personally to change their mind? When they are stuck in their mind and won’t budge to change ?
The Bible is intensely specific on who has the Holy Spirit and how that comes to be. And even if they do, it does not follow that any belief or interpretation or thought or idea comes from Him. We are still able to come up with our own, with our minds, and we are fallible.
I agree. The Holy Spirit comes from faith in Christ. His death burial and resurrection. It’s not difficult.
This is bordering on insulting and condescending. These little things keep slipping out. Don't you hate if when that happens?
I didn’t find it insulting, however if you did, I am sorry about that. I wasn’t trying to condescend you at all as I was commenting on your trying to articulate yourself and you couldn’t do it. My apologies as I don’t believe I’m better than anyone here.
I repeated a statement someone made, then clarified as to its scope when that other person said it. I don't have a speck of trouble recognizing what forms of liberal Christianity are unbelief. I did have to learn what liberal Christianity actually is and where it came from. It called school, education. No one actually has information that they don't have. Not even you.
Good, I’m glad you decide to take up learning for yourself those things as it’s good to learn about things to have a firm grip on them and I appreciate you sharing your thoughts and comments with me.
It is up to one who considers themselves a Christian to check everything they hear against the Bible. That is a responsibility God, in His word, set before His people. If you find a way to reword that last sentence, I will comment on it. As it is, I can't figure out what you are saying.
Don’t you come from an aspect of Gods ordains everything ? So only God picks and chooses those who come to faith? I don’t understand your perspective of God as I never heard it. All I know is at the age of 26 I had a choice when I looked at my heart filled with darkness and no light that I decided to go and seek after Jesus, hearing the word of God helped me come to faith. Which I was persuaded by the promises of the Lord Jesus Chris to trust him and his apostles.
Not everyone has the Holy Spirit. Only those truly joined to Christ through faith.
I agree, not everyone is a person of faith in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ, but love triumphs over faith surprisingly enough according to Paul himself. But faith is an indicator of unseen things becoming a reality for those who believe they have the spirit of Christ in them and now seek out a relationship with God.
So many people from different aspects of life, background, history, and as an individual walking in the midst of them all, to choose love in the Agape sense is the Christian way of being lead by Christ. It’s not the arguing or fighting or the bickering or trying to win something over someone’s head to me in my perspective.
And that faith is specific in its content. It is trust in Jesus and Jesus alone for salvation.
Hebrews 11:1 is the definition of faith, and faith is being persuaded to trust God and his son through the promises of newness of life and becoming new creation from my understanding in what the Bible states and addresses, and the power of God unto salvation is founded in the Gospel of Christ in which we should be ashamed.
And not just one's idea of who Jesus is, but who the Bible says He is and what the Bible says He did, and even why He did it.
Learning is good and encourage people to read their Bible and learn what it states and not just someone opinions; or what they may think however in light of perspective and different people in different places of their faith, they believe hell is real and people go there even though I don’t. To fight, argue and divide is not going to be agape love, it is going be fleshly, and not Spirit lead.
These things have been spelled out in great detail, backed up by the scriptures from which they derive, and the revealed knowledge of God Himself, in the doctrines of traditional, historic Christianity for the Christian, praise be to the glory of God and His great mercy in doing this.
They are not difficult to understand but for some they can be extremely challenging to understand, but the Bible is there, and people share Christ with others and people consider what was said and think and choose what they will believe or not. Many people actually have trouble reading, but the over all arching story is God loved us, he sent his son, died for our sins and the worlds sins, that anyone who comes to the Son who is the Gate has access to the Father now and are given the spirit deemed children of God regardless of their lifestyle choices, or how they many present themselves be they have a lot of tattoos on them or they smoke, do drugs, or watch porn, or whatever. No one comes to Christ perfectly and that is founded out that no one is truly perfect in the flesh: save Jesus.
That is what is denied in all these arguments against it, or any part of it. It is checkable and verifiable by any Christian, and should be checked and verified. A non believer will deny it, as it is foolishness to him.
Yes they will, and that is their own choice.
We are to do good, to be obedient to the council of the Lord in all that He commands, but this alone will save no one.
Amen I agree, the greatest commandments are two we should live by in which Jesus said, and the Holy Spirit and following the spirit makes it possible though we still indulge our flesh with music, or art, or entertainment or whatever it is, as long as God is first with all mind; heart and strength, and it will lead to having love towards others who have different perspectives and views and live in their own lifestyle they choose for themselves.
Rather it is the fruit the Spirit produces in us. Do good and be good is not the core of Christianity.
You can say do good and be good is not the core of Christianity however at the core of the Holy Spirit it is infact just that. In having Agape love to others, and speaking by sharing truth in the spirit of meekness to them.
That is its fruit. The core, without which it falls apart to be no more that more wisdom of men, is the person and work of Jesus.
Yes all of it resorted back to Jesus who has done everything for the entire world in which God through Christ reconciled the world back unto himself and all people have the freedom to choose how they live, how they express themselves, to seek after God or not.
Love you!