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Jesus Christ IS Yahweh

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1 Corinthians 10:9

“We must not put the Christ to the test, as some of them did and were destroyed by serpents”

This verse is a clear quotation from the Old Testament passage in Numbers, where it reads:

“Then they journeyed from Mount Hor by the Way of the Red Sea, to go around the land of Edom; and the soul of the people became very discouraged on the way. And the people spoke against God and against Moses: “Why have you brought us up out of Egypt to die in the wilderness? For there is no food and no water, and our soul loathes this worthless bread.” So the Lord sent fiery serpents among the people, and they bit the people; and many of the people of Israel died.” (21:4-6)

In this passage in Numbers, it is clear that the children of Israel complained against “'ĕlôhı̂ym”. It then goes on to say, that “Yehôvâh” sent “fiery serpents among the people”, that killed many.

In 1 Corinthians 10, Paul, writing under the Inspiration of God the Holy Spirit, says that this “Yehôvâh” in Numbers 21:6, is Jesus Christ. Because of this clear Testimony to the Deity of The Lord Jesus Christ, where He is without any doubt called YHWH, the Eternal, Unchanging, Creator God, that some tried to corrupt the reading in the Corinthians text, like the Jehovah’s Witnesses have done in their version, in John 1:1, and other places. Instead of the reading “Christos”, we have in some of the modern versions, “Theos [God]”, and “Kurios [Lord]”, neither of which assert the Deity of Jesus Christ, as the reading “Christos”, does.

In their Emphatic Diaglott, the Jehovah’s Witnesses, who published it in 1942, have in the Greek text, “Christos”, and the English under it, “the Anointed”. Though in the English translation in the right column, it has “the Lord”, which is theological, rather than what the Greek says. Interestingly, in the cross-reference, it has the passage from Numbers 21, thereby they affirm the Deity of Jesus Christ, as the Greek says, “Christos”. The Unitarian New Testament by Dr George Noyes, reads “Christ”.

The textual evidence overwhelmingly supports the reading “Christos”, in 1 Corinthians 10:9. The oldest Greek manuscript for this Letter of Paul, from around A.D. 200, the the Chester Beatty Papyri, P46. Before this time, we have the evidence of the Greek Church fathers, Irenaeus, who was born about A.D. 140; and Clement of Alexandria (150-215). Then, Origen (185-254), who was a heretic and denied that Jesus Christ is God; Eusebius (260-340). From the Latin Church, we have, Ambrose, Bishp of Malan (339-97), Augustine, Bishop of Hippo (354-430), both who knew Greek and used the Greek New Testament. Then, we also the the Syriac father, Ephraem (306-373), who came from Edessa.

Of the English Versions that have the reading “Christos”, we have the, King James Version, New King James, Darby, Douay, New Living Translation, 21st Century King James, Webster, Contemporary English Version, New Century Version, Common English Bible, Young's Literal Translation, Holman Christian Standard Bible, Today’s New International Version, New International Version, and the English Standard Version.

Of the older English Versions, we have “Christos”, in Wycliffe (1385), Tyndale (1526), Coverdale (1535), Great (1539), Bishop’s (1568), Geneva (1587).

In Jude 5 there is a very interesting reading that is found in the English Standard Version:

“Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe”

Instead of “the Lord”, we have “Jesus”, which has the far better textual evidence.

The oldest Greek manuscript for the Letter of Jude, the Papyri Manuscript, known as P72, dating from between 200-250 A.D., reads: “Theos Christos” (God Christ). A similar reading can be found in Colossians 2:2, "Theou Christou" (of God Christ), and can be found as early as around A.D.200, in the Greek Papyri Manuscript, know as Chester Beatty, P46. Of the later Greek Manuscripts, we have the codices, Vaticanus, of the 4th century, and Alexandrinus, of the 5th. The support of the Ancient Versions, the Latin Vulgate, which is of the 4th century. The Coptic (Egyptian) Sahidic Version, 4th. The Armenian Version, 5th. Ethopic Version, about the 5th. The Church fathers who knew of the reading "Jesus", were, Didymus, "the blind", (A.D.313-398); Cyril of Alexandris (died 444); who were both of the Greek Church. Then, of the Latin Church we have, Jerome, who was responsible for the Latin Vulgate (342-420); John Cassian (360-435), and Bede (673-735). Even the heretic, Origen (185-354), knew of this reading. The witness of Origen is important, in that it represents a very early date for this reading, in the Greek text.

In the Book of Judges, chaprer 6, verses 8-10, we read:

“Thus says the LORD God of Israel: ‘I brought you up from Egypt and brought you out of the house of bondage; and I delivered you out of the hand of the Egyptians and out of the hand of all who oppressed you, and drove them out before you and gave you their land. Also I said to you, “I am the LORD your God; do not fear the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you dwell.” But you have not obeyed My voice.’”

Yet, in chapter 2, verses 1-2, it says:

"Then the Angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said: “I led you up from Egypt and brought you to the land of which I swore to your fathers; and I said, ‘I will never break My covenant with you. And you shall make no covenant with the inhabitants of this land; you shall tear down their altars.’ But you have not obeyed My voice. Why have you done this? Therefore I also said, ‘I will not drive them out before you; but they shall be thorns in your side, and their gods shall be a snare to you.’” So it was, when the Angel of the LORD spoke these words to all the children of Israel, that the people lifted up their voices and wept."

There are some who argue, that for Jesus Christ to be called “Elohim”, or “Theos”, does not mean that He is The Creator God, because these words are used also for created beings in the Holy Bible. This is true, but they are also used 1000’s of times for The One True God!. However, in these passages from 1 Corinthians and Jude, we have clear evidence, when compared to the Old Testament, that Jesus Christ is very clearly called Yahweh. This Great Name of Almighty God, is NEVER used for any created being. It is also very clear, that the Person Who Spoke with Moses in the Burning Bush in Exodus chapter 3, is identified as “And the Angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush” (verse 2). In verse 4 we read of this “Angel of the Lord”, “And when Yahweh saw that he turned aside to see, Elohim called unto him out of the midst of the bush”. Who identifies Himself as: “Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face; for he was afraid to look upon God”. This same “Angel of the Lord”, tells Moses, that He IS, “’Ehyeh ’ăsher ’ehyeh”, which is, “I AM WHO I AM”.

Only those who are enemies of the Holy Bible, and the Truth that it Teaches, can deny that It very explicitly Teaches, that Jesus Christ IS YHWH, The Eternal, Uncreated, Unchanging, Creator God.
 
See Deuteronomy 32:18. You deserted the Rock, who fathered you; you forgot the God who gave you birth.

Now see 1 Corinthians 10:4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.


The ROCK that FATHERED them was God and is Jesus Christ.
 
Greetings ICHTHUS,
Only those who are enemies of the Holy Bible, and the Truth that it Teaches, can deny that It very explicitly Teaches, that Jesus Christ IS YHWH, The Eternal, Uncreated, Unchanging, Creator God.
The distinction between the One God, Yahweh, God the Father and our Lord Jesus Christ, David's Lord the Son of God is clearly seen in Psalm 110:1 and the many quotations and expositions of this passage in the NT.
Psalm 110:1 (KJV): The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

Matthew 22:41–46 (KJV): 41 While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42 Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David. 43 He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying, 44 The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool? 45 If David then call him Lord, how is he his son? 46 And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

Acts 2:29–36 (KJV): 29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day. 30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne; 31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. 32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses. 33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear. 34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, 35 Until I make thy foes thy footstool. 36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

Revelation 3:21–22 (KJV): 21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. 22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.


Kind regards
Trevor
 
Yahweh is Yahweh. Jesus Christ is Jesus Christ. Two entirely different beings.

Yahweh and Jesus Christ.

The Lord God and the lord Messiah (Psalm 110:1).

Adonai and adoni.
 
Yahweh is Yahweh. Jesus Christ is Jesus Christ. Two entirely different beings.

Yahweh and Jesus Christ.

The Lord God and the lord Messiah (Psalm 110:1).

Adonai and adoni.

Lord of heaven --- are there any verses anywhere that state Yahweh is the Father/God? I'm not aware of a single one.

I can see why some folks make this association. Yahweh is presented over and over in scripture (OT) as a redeemer.
 
Lord of heaven --- are there any verses anywhere that state Yahweh is the Father/God? I'm not aware of a single one.

I can see why some folks make this association. Yahweh is presented over and over in scripture (OT) as a redeemer.

Malachi 2:10 is a passage of scripture which satisfactorily makes the identification connection for me.

“Do we not all have one Father? Is it not one God who created us?”

Malachi is speaking about Yahweh throughout the book.
 
Thinking about Paul’s point that idols are fronts for demons, what if Yahweh isn’t the Father?

Wouldn’t that make Yahweh an idol / demon?
 
are there any verses anywhere that state Yahweh is the Father/God?
No. Ever study U-substitution in differential equations?

Ex 3:15 God’s name is YHWH.
Deut 6:4 YHWH is the only God.
1 COR 8:6 there is only one God, the Father.

1 verse proves God’s name.
1 verse proves there is only one true God.
1 verse proves YHWH is father.
 
Lord of heaven --- are there any verses anywhere that state Yahweh is the Father/God? I'm not aware of a single one.

I can see why some folks make this association. Yahweh is presented over and over in scripture (OT) as a redeemer.

Just a quick comment before I head off to bed.

Have you considered in regard to your question Psalm 110:1?

“Yahweh says to my lord, ‘Sit at my right hand …”

The NT identifies Jesus as the unnamed person whom Yahweh addresses in the prophetic oracle.

Jesus is presently sitting at the right hand of the Father, isn’t he?

For me, this would be another passage of scripture that would serve to connect Yahweh with identification as the God and Father of Jesus.
 
Just a quick comment before I head off to bed.

Have you considered in regard to your question Psalm 110:1?

“Yahweh says to my lord, ‘Sit at my right hand …”

The NT identifies Jesus as the unnamed person whom Yahweh addresses in the prophetic oracle.

Jesus is presently sitting at the right hand of the Father, isn’t he?

For me, this would be another passage of scripture that would serve to connect Yahweh with identification as the God and Father of Jesus.

It's David writing- his thoughts and understanding.

He starts like this (using the Hebrew to make clear, what the English translations wash out)...

Yahweh says to my (David's) lord. -So this is David telling us what Yahweh is saying to some unnamed figure that David calls his lord. Here's a clue-- David is King. He has no earthly lords-- He is the one that everyone else calls lord, so who is David talking about? Who is it that Yahweh is talking to, that David is recounting for us?

It's spiritual. It's in the spiritual realm-- where Yahweh is Chief, seated on a throne and Yahweh says to David's lord--

“Sit down at my right hand until I make your enemies your footstool.”
Yahweh is not talking to David. He's talking to David's lord...... and he goes on to say exactly who it is he is talking to....

Yahweh extends your dominion from Zion.
Rule in the midst of your enemies.
Your people willingly follow you when you go into battle.
On the holy hills at sunrise the dew of your youth belongs to you.
The LORD makes this promise on oath and will not revoke it:

“You are an eternal priest after the pattern of Melchizedek.”


It's in the spiritual realm, where Yahweh is seated on a heavenly throne, addressing David's "lord" who Yahweh identifies as an eternal (spiritual) priest, like Melchizedek (the one who came to Abraham). It's not only telling us who Yahweh is addressing, it's telling us a little bit about Melchizedek--that the one who came to Abraham was not 'just a man' but was a spiritual being-- a priest in the heavenly/spiritual realm.


Then David, in response to all of this he has seen and heard in spirit, says>>

O Yahweh- at your right hand he (David's lord) strikes down kings in the day he unleashes his anger.
He executes judgment against the nations.
He fills the valleys with corpses; he shatters their heads over the vast battlefield.
From the stream along the road he drinks; then he lifts up his head.


David is talking to Yahweh, addressing him, but speaking about his lord.

David is talking about the one he follows. The one he considers to be his shepherd, leading and guiding him, strengthening and empowering him--- his sovereign one... his lord. And Yahweh says that this one is an eternal priest in the heavenlies. It's not "Jesus" who hadn't been born yet-- it's not a man like David, or Jesus. It's the one who came to David by whom David was anointed. One like the one who came to Abraham, speaking the words of God as a messenger, and one like the one who came to Jesus like a dove, from above-- and anointed him as only an eternal priest could- in spirit. It is by this spirit that one is anointed-- Christ.
 
using the Hebrew to make clear, what the English translations wash out
This is so important and an advantage the Jehovah Witnesses have. "Lord" is NOT an English translation of YHWH!

YHWH is in Scripture some 5,000. Somehow, people saw fit to remove the author of life and Scripture's author name from his book. Unbelievable!

There is only one God and his name is YHWH.

The one God, YHWH is speaking to David's lord. As you said, this is spiritual since Jesus was not born yet and David is king, meaning that he has no earthyly lord.

Despite "Lord" NOT being English translation of YHWH many translations use capitalization for the divine name. LORD-capital is not the same lord-lowercase. The mysticism supposes one Being is talking to himself and denies the use of language.
 
This is so important and an advantage the Jehovah Witnesses have. "Lord" is NOT an English translation of YHWH!

YHWH is in Scripture some 5,000. Somehow, people saw fit to remove the author of life and Scripture's author name from his book. Unbelievable!

There is only one God and his name is YHWH.

The one God, YHWH is speaking to David's lord. As you said, this is spiritual since Jesus was not born yet and David is king, meaning that he has no earthyly lord.

Despite "Lord" NOT being English translation of YHWH many translations use capitalization for the divine name. LORD-capital is not the same lord-lowercase. The mysticism supposes one Being is talking to himself and denies the use of language.

It's a problem. So much meaning is lost by the interchange of words-- the white-washing of scripture.

Yahweh, or Jehovah becomes LORD, while at times they use Lord, and then there is lord..... and they do the same, using a generic "God" where the scriptures state clearly elohim, or a variation of it, as they do with Lord. The capitalize where they see fit, and torture the texts to try to pound square pegs into round holes.
 
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