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"I am saved" doctrine is a false doctrine.

shroom said:
It didn't. The gift of holy spirit as we have it today was not available before Pentecost. Jesus Christ received it from the Father, and poured it out (Acts 2:33).
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I have heard that but its does not ring true when comparing it to the whole. I would be interested as to where you find that kind of idea?

Old testament saints like that of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias they all received the end of their new born again faith from the first hearing or first love .

1 Peter1:9-12 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.

They looked ahead by Christ's Spirt of faith that worked in them we by the same spirit of faith look back to the demonstration of faith
 
Mr G Lee said:
I have heard that but its does not ring true when comparing it to the whole. I would be interested as to where you find that kind of idea?
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Did you read the verse?

Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
Mr G Lee said:
Old testament saints like that of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias they all received the end of their new born again faith from the first hearing or first love
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Nobody before the day of Pentecost was born again. The Christian new birth was not available before Pentecost.

John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

The word "given" is in italics, meaning it was added by the translators. Verse 39 is a comment by John, and he said the holy spirit was not yet.

Mr G Lee said:
1 Peter1:9-12 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls. Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. Unto whom it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Ghost sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into.
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The "spirit of Christ" in verse 11 is not the gift of holy spirit. Some people in the OT had holy spirit upon them, but it was not born in them as it is born in every Christian today. God gave OT prophets revelation about Jesus Christ.
Mr G Lee said:
They looked ahead by Christ's Spirt of faith that worked in them we by the same spirit of faith look back to the demonstration of faith
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What?
 
shroom said:
Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.
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That does not change the law spoken of below 1 Peter 1:9. Its anew innovation that some say began at Pentecost the reformation.

Abel was the first recorded saint in whom God had favor (grace) on and the first recoded martyr also as a apostles sent with prophecy .

Faithless Cain buried him under to establish the foundation of Paganism (out of sight out of mind ). As in who believes in a God not seen?

1 Peter 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

We look back the demonstration of same spirt of faith as it is written they were given the vison to look ahead to the same Glory
 
Mr G Lee said:
That does not change the law spoken of below 1 Peter 1:9. Its anew innovation that some say began at Pentecost the reformation.

Abel was the first recorded saint in whom God had favor (grace) on and the first recoded martyr also as a apostles sent with prophecy .

Faithless Cain buried him under to establish the foundation of Paganism (out of sight out of mind ). As in who believes in a God not seen?

1 Peter 1:9 Receiving the end of your faith, even the salvation of your souls.Of which salvation the prophets have enquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

We look back the demonstration of same spirt of faith as it is written they were given the vison to look ahead to the same Glory
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I'm not sure what you're talking about, but nobody was born again of holy spirit before the day of Pentecost.
 
shroom said:
John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
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Thanks again for the reply

John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Yes as long as the Son of man Jesus the temporal remained the affect of Christ's works of faith were few . Possibly no more than 500 in the three years of the ministry no more than 200 in the upper room. When the Son of man left never to return the power of our unseen the work of Father increased during the first century reformation.

In that way no man can serve two good teaching masters a one Lord. The flesh seen temporal and the Spirit not seen the eternal . Peter performed the greater with one declaration of the unseen Holy Spirit thousands the greater were added.

No power is attributed to the corrupted dying flesh of the Son of man . In that way we are given the understanding of doctrine of blasphemy .Forgiven against the Son of man (a 33 year window) .Not forgiven by the unseen Holy Spirit
 
Mr G Lee said:
Thanks again for the reply

John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

Yes as long as the Son of man Jesus the temporal remained the affect of Christ's works of faith were few . Possibly no more than 500 in the three years of the ministry no more than 200 in the upper room. When the Son of man left never to return the power of our unseen the work of Father increased during the first century reformation.

In that way no man can serve two good teaching masters a one Lord. The flesh seen temporal and the Spirit not seen the eternal . Peter performed the greater with one declaration of the unseen Holy Spirit thousands the greater were added.

No power is attributed to the corrupted dying flesh of the Son of man . In that way we are given the understanding of doctrine of blasphemy .Forgiven against the Son of man (a 33 year window) .Not forgiven by the unseen Holy Spirit
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I'm sorry. I don't know what you're talking about.
 
shroom said:
I'm sorry. I don't know what you're talking about.
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Look at it another way .

Why was blasphemy against the Son of man, Jesus the temporal who lived in a dying earthen body forgivable, but not against the unseen Holy Spirit the source of power of our belief or faith . Remember Jesus said His flesh profits for nothing, zero.

God is not a man as us and neither is there any fleshly infallible interpreter( Like a Pope called a daysman) set between our Holy Father and mankind seen as a umpire between the two .

Did Jesus refuse worship, men bowing down according to his flesh or rather he gave glory to the power of our unseen God as our Father? or did he glory in his own corrupted dying flesh?
 
The OP is alarming.

Those who belong to Messiah have been saved -> 2 Timothy 1:9

Those who nelong to Messiah are being saved -> 1 Corinthians 1:18

Those who belong to Messiah will be saved -> Romans 5:9

Paul, an Apostle of Messiah, is the author of all of these statements.

To say that it is false doctrine is to reject Paul, to reject Messiah who sent him, and to reject God who sent Messiah.

Anti-Paul = anti-Christ = anti-God.

That’s serious, to put it mildly.
 
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