Confessing Jesus is it enough?

[Mr E]

David’s lord is the Messiah.

David’s God is Yahweh.

David’s lord is presently sitting at the right hand of his and David’s God.

Yahweh said to David's Lord.....

-according to your theological premise, this is the Father talking to David's Lord (as King he has no earthly Lord)-- so this is the Father telling Jesus (whom you say is David's Lord) ---- Jesus? ---- You sit down at my right hand until I make your enemies beneath your feet.

How then (as asked by Jesus himself) can David's son be his Lord?

 

[Mattathias]

Yahweh said to David's Lord.....

-according to your theological premise, this is the Father talking to David's Lord (as King he has no earthly Lord)-- so this is the Father telling Jesus (whom you say is David's Lord) ---- Jesus? ---- You sit down at my right hand until I make your enemies beneath your feet.

How then (as asked by Jesus himself) can David's son be his Lord?

The one true God (Yahweh) speaking in a prophetic oracle to the Messiah (Jesus if Nazareth).

Jesus is subtly claiming to be the Messiah.

Yahweh is speaking prophetically to his Son.

“ Yahweh is an idol” is absurd.

 

[SteVen]

It was a challenge to those who put a hedge around the Sabbath which God didn’t.

There's something to that. But was Jesus promoting the law?
I see him deconstructing the law as He went.

What are the two most basic violations of Sabbath?
1) Gathering food.
2) Working.

Jesus and the disciples were caught gathering food. (Matthew 12)
And what did Jesus say when challenged about his work on the Sabbath?

John 5:16-18 NET
Now because Jesus was doing these things[a] on the Sabbath,
the Jewish leaders[b] began persecuting[c] him.
17 So he[d] told[e] them, “My Father is working until now, and I too am working.”[f]
18 For this reason the Jewish leaders[g] were trying even harder to kill him,
because not only was he breaking the Sabbath,
but he was also calling God his own Father,
thus making himself equal with God.

John 9:16 NET
Then some of the Pharisees began to say,[a]
“This man is not from God, because he does not observe[b] the Sabbath.”[c]
But others said, “How can a man who is a sinner perform[d] such miraculous signs?”
Thus there was a division[e] among them.

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[SteVen]

If you leave the Baptists are you a sect of the Baptist church, or do you become something else?

So it was with Jesus and “The Way” -it was a departure from… not a version of.

I think we're splitting hairs now.

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[Mattathias]

There's something to that. But was Jesus promoting the law?
I see him deconstructing the law as He went.

What are the two most basic violations of Sabbath?
1) Gathering food.
2) Working.

Jesus and the disciples were caught gathering food. (Matthew 12)
And what did Jesus say when challenged about his work on the Sabbath?

John 5:16-18 NET
Now because Jesus was doing these things[a] on the Sabbath,
the Jewish leaders[b] began persecuting[c] him.
17 So he[d] told[e] them, “My Father is working until now, and I too am working.”[f]
18 For this reason the Jewish leaders[g] were trying even harder to kill him,
because not only was he breaking the Sabbath,
but he was also calling God his own Father,
thus making himself equal with God.

John 9:16 NET
Then some of the Pharisees began to say,[a]
“This man is not from God, because he does not observe[b] the Sabbath.”[c]
But others said, “How can a man who is a sinner perform[d] such miraculous signs?”
Thus there was a division[e] among them.

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I see Jesus as interpreting the Law of Moses, while remaining within the framework of Judaism.

 

[Mr E]

I think we're splitting hairs now.

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Like Solomon maybe.

 

[SteVen]

Thank you. Have a look at this and tell me what the veil really is.

By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;
— Hebrews 10:20

I think there are several meanings of "the veil".
1) The literal veil in the Temple.
2) The figurative veil you have pointed out.
3) The literal veil over Moses' face.
4) The figurative veil over the Israelites eyes.
5) The veil that separates this physical life from the afterlife.

And more...

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[SteVen]

I see Jesus as interpreting the Law of Moses, while remaining within the framework of Judaism.

There was certainly some of that. But...
I see him deconstructing the law as he went. Jesus was the end of the law, correct?

In Matthew 5 he treats the law as hearsay.
"You have heard that it was said to the people long ago... But I tell you..." (six times)

Even the forerunner was a part. "... until John..." Then what?

Matthew 11:13 NET
For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John appeared.[a]

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[Waiting on Him]

I think there are several meanings of "the veil".
1) The literal veil in the Temple.
2) The figurative veil you have pointed out.
3) The literal veil over Moses' face.
4) The figurative veil over the Israelites eyes.
5) The veil that separates this physical life from the afterlife.

And more...

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Jesus is the temple.

 

[Waiting on Him]

I think there are several meanings of "the veil".
1) The literal veil in the Temple.
2) The figurative veil you have pointed out.
3) The literal veil over Moses' face.
4) The figurative veil over the Israelites eyes.
5) The veil that separates this physical life from the afterlife.

And more...

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God the Father never commissioned Solomon to build a temple made of stone.

 

[SteVen]

Jesus is the temple.

(sigh...)

Nothing else?
Nothing else is the Temple?

1 Corinthians 3:16 NIV
Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?

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[Waiting on Him]

But Solomon built him an house. Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet, Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest? Hath not my hand made all these things?
— Acts 7:47-50


Solomon built that temple on his and his Daddy David’s steam.