Why Jesus Doesn't Need Your Help to Save You

[robert pate]

There are several reasons why Jesus doesn't need your help to save you, the most obvious is that Jesus has ALREADY reconciled us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. We had nothing to do with God reconciling us and the world unto God, this took place over 2,000 years ago before we were born. It is a past historical event. Jesus as humanities representative fulfilled every jot and tittle of God's holy law, Matthew 5:18. He did this in our name and on our behalf, just like we did it ourselves. The law demands perfection, we don't have it to offer, because we are all born after Adam who was a sinner. We all have Adam's blood flowing through our veins. This is why Paul said, "There is none righteous, no, not one" Romans 3:10. "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23. Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves.

Paul wrote, "Therefore by the offense of one (Adam) judgment came upon all men to condemnation: even so by the righteousness of one (Christ) the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life" Romans 518. Just as we were lost by a representative, so we are saved by a representative. We are saved, justified, sanctified and redeemed by the doing and the dying of Jesus. Jesus as our representative and substitute has atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.

God requires two things for the salvation of fallen man.

1. A life of perfect obedience according to his holy law.

2. A perfect atonement for our sins and the sins of the whole world.

Jesus in our name and on our behalf, has victoriously met both of these requirements. This why Paul said, "And you are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power" Colossians 2:10. If we are ALREADY perfect and complete in Christ then what good is religion?

Now, how does this wonderful salvation become ours? It most certainly is not by works, because all of the work of salvation has already been done by Jesus Christ. There is nothing that we can do to add to what Christ has done for us, nor is there anything that we can do to take away from what Christ has done for us. It is a past historical event. All through the Old Testament and into the New Testament God's people are saved and justified by faith. Faith is believing and accepting what God has done for us in Jesus Christ. Even little children are capable of hearing and believing the Gospel.

Holiness theology is anti-Gospel and anti-Christ. The Catholic church and others do not believe the Gospel. They do not believe that Jesus has ALREADY reconciled us and the world unto God. They believe that they can reconcile themselves unto God by their works and obedience to the law. It is a do-it-yourself salvation that is under the judgment of God. Man does not have a righteousness that God will accept, this is why salvation is totally and completely outside of ourselves and is only found in the work and the person of Jesus Christ.

 

[God's Truth]

There are several reasons why Jesus doesn't need your help to save you,

Jesus saves us all on his own, and he tells why he saves those he chooses to save. He chooses those who get his teachings and obey them.

the most obvious is that Jesus has ALREADY reconciled us and the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. We had nothing to do with God reconciling us and the world unto God, this took place over 2,000 years ago before we were born. It is a past historical event.

We have to be reconciled to God, and that happens when we receive His Holy Spirit. All are not reconciled as you say, not all have his Spirit.

Jesus as humanities representative fulfilled every jot and tittle of God's holy law, Matthew 5:18. He did this in our name and on our behalf, just like we did it ourselves. The law demands perfection, we don't have it to offer, because we are all born after Adam who was a sinner. We all have Adam's blood flowing through our veins. This is why Paul said, "There is none righteous, no, not one" Romans 3:10. "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God" Romans 3:23. Sinners cannot save sinners, nor can sinners save themselves.

Jesus' words are Spirit and life. No one gets that Spirit and life if they don't obey Jesus' words.

Paul wrote, "Therefore by the offense of one (Adam) judgment came upon all men to condemnation: even so by the righteousness of one (Christ) the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life" Romans 518. Just as we were lost by a representative, so we are saved by a representative. We are saved, justified, sanctified and redeemed by the doing and the dying of Jesus. Jesus as our representative and substitute has atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2.

No one enters that grace without having faith that Jesus' shed blood washes our sins away---the sins we repent of doing.

God requires two things for the salvation of fallen man.

1. A life of perfect obedience according to his holy law.

2. A perfect atonement for our sins and the sins of the whole world.

Jesus in our name and on our behalf, has victoriously met both of these requirements. This why Paul said, "And you are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power" Colossians 2:10. If we are ALREADY perfect and complete in Christ then what good is religion?

We don't get put in him unless we do what he says to do to get put in him.

Now, how does this wonderful salvation become ours? It most certainly is not by works, because all of the work of salvation has already been done by Jesus Christ.

The works Jesus does for us are the purification works of the law. Jesus doesn't tell anyone they don't have to do what he says, like you say.

There is nothing that we can do to add to what Christ has done for us, nor is there anything that we can do to take away from what Christ has done for us.

Then why are you preaching not to obey him?

It is a past historical event. All through the Old Testament and into the New Testament God's people are saved and justified by faith.

The old testament had the works of the law. These are the works of the law:

The Burnt Offering; The Grain Offering; The Fellowship Offering; The Sin Offering; The Guilt Offering; Dietary Laws; Purification After Childbirth; Cleansing From Infectious Skin Diseases; Cleansing From Mildew; Discharges Causing Uncleanness; The Day of Atonement; Rules for Priests; The Sabbath; Firstfruits; The Passover and Unleavened Bread; Feast of Weeks; Feast of Trumpets; Feast of Tabernacles; Oil and Bread Set Before The LORD; the Sabbath Year; The Year of Jubilee; Circumcision.

The old law was NOT based on faith. Jesus came to make a New Covenant based on faith. We are no longer saved by doing those works, for Jesus purifies us now. If you don't come to Jesus and repent of your sins and have faith that his blood washes you, then you are not purified by him.

Faith is believing and accepting what God has done for us in Jesus Christ. Even little children are capable of hearing and believing the Gospel.

No child would understand what you teach. You teach to be afraid to say we obey Jesus and to repent of our sins.

Holiness theology is anti-Gospel and anti-Christ. The Catholic church and others do not believe the Gospel.

The Catholics do things God says not to do. They call their brothers 'father', they bow down to the works of their hands, they call Mary a co redeemer, they call their brothers 'priest' and don't know all the saved are priests. They baptize infants and call them filled with the Spirit when they know infants can't and didn't hear the gospel and repent of their sins. They do many things God says not to do.

They do not believe that Jesus has ALREADY reconciled us and the world unto God. They believe that they can reconcile themselves unto God by their works and obedience to the law. It is a do-it-yourself salvation that is under the judgment of God. Man does not have a righteousness that God will accept, this is why salvation is totally and completely outside of ourselves and is only found in the work and the person of Jesus Christ.

You preach against obeying Jesus. Jesus has the words of life and you go against it.

 

[robert pate]

Jesus saves us all on his own, and he tells why he saves those he chooses to save. He chooses those who get his teachings and obey them.

We have to be reconciled to God, and that happens when we receive His Holy Spirit. All are not reconciled as you say, not all have his Spirit.

Jesus' words are Spirit and life. No one gets that Spirit and life if they don't obey Jesus' words.

No one enters that grace without having faith that Jesus' shed blood washes our sins away---the sins we repent of doing.

We don't get put in him unless we do what he says to do to get put in him.

The works Jesus does for us are the purification works of the law. Jesus doesn't tell anyone they don't have to do what he says, like you say.

Then why are you preaching not to obey him?

The old testament had the works of the law. These are the works of the law:

The Burnt Offering; The Grain Offering; The Fellowship Offering; The Sin Offering; The Guilt Offering; Dietary Laws; Purification After Childbirth; Cleansing From Infectious Skin Diseases; Cleansing From Mildew; Discharges Causing Uncleanness; The Day of Atonement; Rules for Priests; The Sabbath; Firstfruits; The Passover and Unleavened Bread; Feast of Weeks; Feast of Trumpets; Feast of Tabernacles; Oil and Bread Set Before The LORD; the Sabbath Year; The Year of Jubilee; Circumcision.

The old law was NOT based on faith. Jesus came to make a New Covenant based on faith. We are no longer saved by doing those works, for Jesus purifies us now. If you don't come to Jesus and repent of your sins and have faith that his blood washes you, then you are not purified by him.

No child would understand what you teach. You teach to be afraid to say we obey Jesus and to repent of our sins.

The Catholics do things God says not to do. They call their brothers 'father', they bow down to the works of their hands, they call Mary a co redeemer, they call their brothers 'priest' and don't know all the saved are priests. They baptize infants and call them filled with the Spirit when they know infants can't and didn't hear the gospel and repent of their sins. They do many things God says not to do.

You preach against obeying Jesus. Jesus has the words of life and you go against it.

Jesus said that he came into the world to save sinners, Matthew 9:13. You no longer qualify. Paul confessed that he was a sinner, 1 Timothy 1:15. You can't.

 

[God's Truth]

Jesus said that he came into the world to save sinners, Matthew 9:13. You no longer qualify. Paul confessed that he was a sinner, 1 Timothy 1:15. You can't.

Jesus wouldn't have saved me if I didn't admit I was a sinner and repent of my sins.

 

[God's Truth]

Paul confessed that he was a sinner, 1 Timothy 1:15. You can't.

Paul didn't remain doing the things that qualified him with the name he gave himself, the chief of sinners.
Paul gave himself that title because he tried to destroy the church.

 

[robert pate]

Jesus wouldn't have saved me if I didn't admit I was a sinner and repent of my sins.

Yeah, You admitted that you were a sinner then, but now you think that you are without sin.

What you can't admit is that you are still a sinner. Paul confessed that he was a sinner after he was saved, Romans 7:25.

 

[robert pate]

Paul didn't remain doing the things that qualified him with the name he gave himself, the chief of sinners.
Paul gave himself that title because he tried to destroy the church.

No, Paul said that because the Holy Spirit revealed it to him, Romans 7:10.

 

[God's Truth]

Yeah, You admitted that you were a sinner then, but now you think that you are without sin.

When a person is saved they are washed, made perfect and holy.
Then they live their life living up to that, they had died to the sins of the world and live to please Jesus.
We are to work out our salvation and train ourselves.

What you can't admit is that you are still a sinner.

I am not a sinner in Christ. The saved are called saints, and priests.

Paul confessed that he was a sinner after he was saved, Romans 7:25.

No. After Paul was saved, he explained how before he was saved he was a sinner.

 

[God's Truth]

No, Paul said that because the Holy Spirit revealed it to him, Romans 7:10.

What no? The Holy Spirit revealed what to him?

 

[robert pate]

What no? The Holy Spirit revealed what to him?

Try reading Romans 7:7-25. Paul struggled with sin.

 

[God's Truth]

Try reading Romans 7:7-25. Paul struggled with sin.

Paul struggled with sin before he was saved, and talked about that fact after he was saved and no longer sins the way he used to.

 

[robert pate]

Paul struggled with sin before he was saved, and talked about that fact after he was saved and no longer sins the way he used to.

Romans 7:7-25 was written while Paul was a Christian and is written in the present tense. You are not able to accept truth.