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Sissy
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Someone doesn't pay attention to what people say.
High Five!!! (with MC Hammer music playing in the background ----
Can't Touch This! )
Can't Touch This! )
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Sissy
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Read what he says.
He sees a distinction between "born from above" and "born again".
For him, "born again" (indwelt with the Holy Spirit) is now, and "born from above" (being resurrected) will be later.
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EarlyActs
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Jesus only to mentioned it once to a guy named Nic(odemus).
No, it is not about the next life. Jesus meant that the kingdom was arriving and active, but his natural descendancy in Judaism would not see it. Even a Judaic leader with a 'perfect' birthline needs another birth from the Spirit of God through the Gospel of God, given in a direct-explanation paragraph by John after the conversation with Nic.
The NT has many places stating that a new nature is formed by faith in the Gospel. Or for another, that we have passed from death to life, the same way. Jn 10. That's because Jesus was not just bringing resurrections. He was the resurrection itself, that Ps 2, 16, 110 were referring to.
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shroom
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It is indeed about resurrection, the next life. The kingdom is not here yet. Christ is not yet reigning.
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patrick jane
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Ephesians 1:10-14
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EarlyActs
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No, anothen is used all through. It is not a descriptive of every believer who has faith. It is about Nic and his Judaic background. He needed to be rooted in what was back at the 'beginning' or the 'top' of his faith. Perhaps 'outset' would be a good transl.
This is not as applicable as most people think. It is for that person raised in Judaism, thinking simply that the descendancy had some 'essence of life' in it. Jesus was saying that this did not count, but that back at the start of the faith, back to Abraham, or back to Gen 3, is what Nic needed to have, just to see that the kingdom was at work. If he knew those things, he would see the kingdom working.
It was all moving toward the event of the Gospel in vs 16+
16 For this is the way[aj] God loved the world: He gave his one and only[ak] Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish[al] but have eternal life.[am] 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world,[an] but that the world should be saved through him. 18 The one who believes in him is not condemned.[ao] The one who does not believe has been condemned[ap] already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only[aq] Son of God.
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Arial
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There is no reference to the resurrection in John 3. And Nicodemus was not asking about the resurrection. In fact, he did not start the conversation with a question but a statement. He was wanting to know who Jesus was? Jesus responded, "unless a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." The Jews, and the Pharisees in particular were waiting the coming of Messiah, who they assumed would be an earthly king who would restore Israel as an independent nation under the self-rule of a king. Israel, they considered to be the kingdom of God. Many today believe that same thing only they project it into what they consider the millennial reign of Jesus.
Jesus disabused him of this notion by making the statement about being born again, which was followed by the discussion on what being born again is. It is the work of the Spirit, the new heart, opened eyes and ears, to understand who Jesus is and what He has done in redemption. It is being reborn in Christ, whereas before we are born in Adam. It most certainly is talking about the Christian new birth.
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Arial
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Only those who are born again will see this resurrection. That is when the complete fulness of redemption promises is realized.
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meshak
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I was asking Sissy.
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Arial
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This refers to being born in Adam---corruptible seed vs. being born again in Christ---incorruptible seed.
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Arial
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There is no legitimate way to make that distinction. The word following "born" in John 3 is anothen translated "again", "anew" "from above."
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patience
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The word anothen is used in John 3:3, 7 - this same word anothen is translated "from above" in 3:31 and in John 19:11. It is used in John 19:23 translated "top". The #1 definition of anothen is "from above, from a higher place". When will we see the Kingdom of God - resurrection.
Jesus also reprimanded Nicodemus - "Are you a teacher of Israel and don't know these things?" Nicodemus should have known about the resurrection for it had been prophesied in the OT.
The word for "born again" in 1 Peter 1:23 and "begotten again" in 1 Peter 1:3 is anagennao.