SteVen
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Is your understanding of what Jesus said about God infallible?
There is no consensus. Someone else may be right. Or more likely, everyone is wrong.
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Unity in exclusivity is mere tribalism - Nothing special there
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There is no consensus. Someone else may be right. Or more likely, everyone is wrong.
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SteVen
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Mattathias
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He couldn’t have said it any more plainly than he did.
If we don’t know who his God is then we don’t know who God is.
If you’re persuaded that they’re right, then unite with them.
Those who believe what Jesus believes aren’t wrong. In order to accept you’re suggestion I think we would have to say that no one knows what Jesus believes; the words that he spoke have no meaning to us.
Mattathias
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Are you willing to say that Jesus didn’t, doesn’t and will never have a God? I’m not.
Are you willing to say that Jesus didn’t worship his God? I’m not.
Are you willing to say that Jesus worshipped an idol? I’m not.
Are you willing to compare whoever or whatever you worship as your God with the God whom Jesus worships? I do that every day.
SteVen
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We don't have to agree on what Jesus said for his words to have meaning to us.
They can mean different things to different believers.
Jesus' words have meaning to us.
The problem is they mean different things to different believers. (no consensus)
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Mattathias
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Okay. What did he say about his God? Let’s start there.
Then someone doesn’t believe what Jesus believes. They are believers of something, and someone, else.
If they don’t mean what Jesus intended them to mean then what good is that?
The problem is Paul was right when he said that after he was gone wolves would ravage the flock. He’s been gone since the middle of the 1st century. The wolves have been at it for nearly 2,000 years. That is the work of the devil.
Let the wolf tell us what Jesus meant and the sheep will be destroyed.
SteVen
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No.
No.
No.
I've know God since I was eight years old. Not something I need to re-evaluate every day.
Granted, my perception of him has changed over time. He didn't change, only my view of him.
Was my eight year old perception of God wrong? Since it differs with my current perception?
If my perception of God differs from yours, which one of us is wrong?
Or does our PERCEPTION matter at all? God knows who he is.
Does God ignore us if our perception of him is not 100% correct?
Could anyone have a perception that is 100% correct?
That's a tall order. - LOL
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Mattathias
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Who is the God that you know?
God doesn’t change. If your perception was wrong then you were worshipping an idol when you thought you were worshipping him.
Whichever one whose perception doesn’t match with Jesus’ perception.
God certainly knows who he is.
Our perception matters. If it didn’t, we could worship anyone or anything and deceive ourselves into believing that we are worshipping God.
No. God doesn’t ignore his creation.
Yes. Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah, the Son of the living God.
Too tall for the Messiah?
SteVen
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That's a whole topic.
And I don't suspect that we would agree.
This assumes that your understanding of what Jesus said is infallible.
I think we should put our faith in God, not in the translation of the Bible we happen to have at hand.
We don't have the original documents. Did you know that?
Majority Text vs. Critical Text vs. Textus Receptus – Textual Criticism 101
https://www.bereanpatriot.com/majority-text-vs-critical-text-vs-textus-receptus-textual-criticism-101/#Corruption-of-the-Alexandrian-text-typeIs that the abundant life Jesus promised? Why surrender to the enemy so easily?
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SteVen
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SteVen said:
Granted, my perception of him has changed over time. He didn't change, only my view of him.
It is becoming clear to me that your tribalism is more important to you than
being at peace with believers that disagree with your tribe.
This topic was for you. Unfortunately, you don't get it.
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Granted, my perception of him has changed over time. He didn't change, only my view of him.
I didn't say my perception was wrong. I said it changed.
It is becoming clear to me that your tribalism is more important to you than
being at peace with believers that disagree with your tribe.
This topic was for you. Unfortunately, you don't get it.
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Mattathias
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If we can’t agree on who Jesus said his God is then there is no hope of us ever being united.
His words are preserved in scripture. He said without equivocation precisely who his God is.
Is there some doubt in your mind concerning the validity and accuracy of those words?
All that it assumes is that I’ve heard, understood and believed that the words attributed to Jesus are reliable.
Who is God?
I’m a retired pastor and a retired adjunct theology professor. Yes, I know that. Thank you for asking.
How is it that you know what Jesus promised if you don’t know who Jesus said his God is?
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Mattathias
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Would your perception have changed if it was right all along?
I can and do live peaceably with those who worship deities which I don’t.
Thank you.
I’m still listening.