The Monkey Trial

[Jasher]

Your right, it is not hard to consider when you can't even answer the question, but Christians can't defend the Bible is what they say.

Now I can presume you mean that Adam was the first biological man so therefore Cain's wife had to be his offspring.

But, I won't for the reason below, but will say that the word of the LORD is the same yesterday, today and forever so it isn't hard to dismiss Cain's wife being his sister.

Perhaps neither of the gentlemen had access to the Book of Jubilees.

How could they since the trial was in 1925 and the book of Jubiless wasn't fabricated until later . Don't forget they have the Sumerian tablets which represent that the Bible is nothing more than a fabricated story based upon different myths.

But it doesn't change the fact that saying Cain's wife was his sister would be something that someone would say whose God believes incest is acceptable or worst, if possible, that their God compromises his principles when necessary to cover his incompetence.

 

[Sissy]

How could they since the trial was in 1925 and the book of Jubiless wasn't fabricated until later .

Fabricated????
Ethiopia has manuscripts of Jubilees dating to the 15th century.
That's a looooooong time before 1925.
And even older fragments of Jubilees were found among the Dead Sea Scrolls.
That's way way way before 1925.

Don't forget they have the Sumerian tablets which represent that the Bible is nothing more than a fabricated story based upon different myths.

It's no myth that different ancient cultures had different gods from the other cultures.
Just because several ancient cultures use the same symbolism, imagery, and terminology does not mean they are talking about the exact same god.
The Jews were not the only culture that called their god the Most High, or that said their Most High God rode the clouds in a chariot, or that their god fought with a serpent/dragon, etc.
These were all common terms to denote who their own supreme god was.

But it doesn't change the fact that saying Cain's wife was his sister would be something that someone would say whose God believes incest is acceptable or worst, if possible, that their God compromises his principles when necessary to cover his incompetence.

Incest wasn't a prohibition until the time of Moses.
Cain married a sister.
Abraham married a half-sister.
Lot had children with his 2 daughters, one of which was Moab.

Abraham was an ancestor of Jesus.
So was Ruth, a Moabite.

Incest isn't a hinderance for God to accomplish what He needs when He needs it.

 

[Ted T]

So I take that it you don't know where Cain's wife came from nor ever considered it.

Such hubris - read post #2 now...since you obviously passed it over once already. You so want to depict Christians as mindless fools not questioning YOUR interpretation of the Bible but accepting it by rote that you expose your own paucity of scholarship about the history of the development of Christian theology...

 

[Ted T]

Perhaps neither of the gentlemen had access to the Book of Jubilees.

Book of Jubilees: IV.

This tells who they married but the mention of cities ( houses were built on the earth, and Cain built a city,) would mean that there were many more people being born and intermarrying than is mentioned anywhere giving honest speculation to the exponential growth of humans in this period.

 

[Sissy]

This tells who they married but the mention of cities ( houses were built on the earth, and Cain built a city,) would mean that there were many more people being born and intermarrying than is mentioned anywhere giving honest speculation to the exponential growth of humans in this period.

I thought your post (#2) gave a lot of reasonable stats for the population of the time considering the lifespan of people then.

There is also a Jewish writing (off hand I can't remember if it was Midrash or Targum) that says Cain was a twin (he and a sister), and that Abel was a triplet (he and two sisters).
So the stats in your post #2 could be even higher if twins and triplets were a common occurrence of Adam & Eve.

Frankly, I don't know how we can even be sure that Cain was their first child just because he was the first name mentioned.
One rarely sees females in the genealogies of scripture, so Adam & Eve could have had some daughters before they had Cain.

 

[Jasher]

Incest wasn't a prohibition until the time of Moses.

Ok, so you don't believe that the word of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting, that is understood or else you would not say that the LORD would do something against his own will.

Cain married a sister.

Cain married a female from the land of Nod, east of Eden.

Abraham married a half-sister.

Abram married his dead brothers wife Haran, which was the custom. She was the daughter of the Abram's father, by virtue of her being married to Haran, Abram's brother . but was not the daughter of Abram's mother.

If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.
Deut 25:5

Master, Moses wrote unto us, If a man's brother die, and leave his wife behind him, and leave no children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother. Mark 12:19

Lot had children with his 2 daughters, one of which was Moab.

Lot did not know what his daughters had done.

And they made their father drink wine that night: and the firstborn went in, and lay with her father; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor when she arose. Gen 19:33

And they made their father drink wine that night also: and the younger arose, and lay with him; and he perceived not when she lay down, nor
when she arose. Gen 19:35

 

[shroom]

Ok, so you don't believe that the word of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting, that is understood or else you would not say that the LORD would do something against his own will.

God changed the rules several times in the Bible.

Cain married a female from the land of Nod, east of Eden.

Which was more than likely his sister, or possibly a niece.

Abram married his dead brothers wife Haran, which was the custom. She was the daughter of the Abram's father, by virtue of her being married to Haran, Abram's brother . but was not the daughter of Abram's mother.

If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger: her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.
Deut 25:5

Master, Moses wrote unto us, If a man's brother die, and leave his wife behind him, and leave no children, that his brother should take his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother. Mark 12:19

The law of Moses was given ~600 years after Abraham.

 

[Jasher]

Such hubris - read post #2 now...since you obviously passed it over once already. You so want to depict Christians as mindless fools not questioning YOUR interpretation of the Bible but accepting it by rote that you expose your own paucity of scholarship about the history of the development of Christian theology...

I haven't even told you my interpretation of where Cain's wife came. But yet you call me a pompous ass. The statements made about Christians not being able to defend the Bible was not made by me, if you would have checked the link you would have found the source of the statement.

 

[7thMoon]

That sure would have been a lot of inbreeding wouldn't it?

Nope, since the chromosomal defects didn't exist; the inbreeding didn't exist.

Cain married a female from the land of Nod, east of Eden.

We only know that he must have had a woman, before or after getting kicked out of Eden.

I haven't even told you my interpretation of where Cain's wife came.

Should I care?

 

[Sissy]

Ok, so you don't believe that the word of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting, that is understood or else you would not say that the LORD would do something against his own will.

We several times in scripture where God does different things than before.
Not every word said in scripture was for everyone at all times.

For example:

At one time Jesus tells his disciples to not tell anyone He is the Christ.​

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Matthew 16:20 LEB​

(20) Then he commanded the disciples that they should tell no one that he was the Christ.​

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Likewise, just because God tells one man he can be healed of leprosy by dipping in the Jordan River, doesn't mean anyone at any time could do it.​

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2 Kings 5:14 LEB​

(14) So he went down and plunged into the Jordan seven times, according to the word of the man of God, and his flesh returned as the flesh of a small boy, and he was clean.​

Cain married a female from the land of Nod, east of Eden.

It doesn't say she was "from" the land of Nod.
There is nothing in the text that prohibits that Cain took his wife with him into the land of Nod.

Abram married his dead brothers wife Haran,

Verse please?

Lot did not know what his daughters had done.

So?
Him being in a drunken stupor when the incest occurred didn't prevent God from using the child's descendant in the genealogy of Jesus.
God can use even the most fragile and weak of mankind for His purpose.

 

[Jasher]

God changed the rules several times in the Bible.

The LORD has never changed his word, man has changed his word. It is not the word that goes into a man that defiles him, but the words that proceedeth from his mouth that defiles him.

Go and ahead and tell us where your God changed his word...

 

[Jasher]

We only know that he must have had a woman, before or after getting kicked out of Eden.

The first man was driven out of Eden before Cain was born according to scripture.