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Pentecostalism and the Historical Gospel of Jesus Christ.

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robert pate

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Pentecostalism is a religion that was conceived by men and not of God.

Back in the early 1900"s a group of people got together to seek the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is NOT obtained by seeking it. Paul said, "This only would I learn of you, did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law (because you did something) or by the hearing of faith (hearing and believing the Gospel) Galatians 3:2. "So then faith comes by hearing (not seeking) and hearing by the word of God" (which is the Gospel) Romans 10:17.

On the day of Pentecost, the Gospel came into the world in the power of the Holy Spirit. Cloven tongues like fire sat on the heads of the disciples, Acts 2:3, and they were all filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in tongues. What were they talking about? "Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues THE WONDERFUL WORKS OF GOD" Acts 2:11. What are the wonderful works of God? The wonderful works of God are the Gospel. It is about how Jesus fulfilled all of the demands of the law and atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. and in doing so reconciled us and the whole world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19.

So, we see that Pentecost was not really about the Holy Spirit. Pentecost was about the Gospel of Jesus Christ. The tongues were not gibberish, the tongues were foreign languages so that everyone could hear about "The wonderful works of God" (which was the Gospel). Peter stood up and preached the Gospel for the very first time. What was the results? 8,000 heard and believed Peters Gospel and were saved, Acts 2:41 also Acts 4:4. It was the Gospel that gave birth to the New Testament church. The Gospel and the Holy Spirit are inseparable. When the Gospel is preached the Holy Spirit is present to convict people of their need for Christ.
 
robert pate said:
So, we see that Pentecost was not really about the Holy Spirit.
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Some of the things that you type are stupifying, Robert.

The day of Pentecost was the first time it became possible to become born again of holy spirit. Receiving holy spirit is what makes a person a Christian. When a person hears the gospel and believes it he is sealed with the gift of holy spirit, guaranteeing his salvation. When a person speaks in tongues he is speaking TO God (1 Cor 14:2), not preaching the gospel to other people.
 
shroom said:
Some of the things that you type are stupifying, Robert.

The day of Pentecost was the first time it became possible to become born again of holy spirit. Receiving holy spirit is what makes a person a Christian. When a person hears the gospel and believes it he is sealed with the gift of holy spirit, guaranteeing his salvation. When a person speaks in tongues he is speaking TO God (1 Cor 14:2), not preaching the gospel to other people.
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There is no such thing as being "born of holy spirit" or "receiving holy spirit" anywhere in the Bible, not even in the verse you quote, so where do you get that idea from? It does speak of being born of the Holy Spirit and of receiving the Holy Spirit. When spirit is rendered with a little s if refers a person's spirit if it is speaking of a person, and if the person is regenerate, born of the Holy Spirit, and therefore has received the Holy Spirit, walking in the spirit means our spirit walking in accordance with the things of the Spirit.
 
Arial said:
There is no such thing as being "born of holy spirit" or "receiving holy spirit" anywhere in the Bible, not even in the verse you quote, so where do you get that idea from? It does speak of being born of the Holy Spirit and of receiving the Holy Spirit. When spirit is rendered with a little s if refers a person's spirit if it is speaking of a person, and if the person is regenerate, born of the Holy Spirit, and therefore has received the Holy Spirit, walking in the spirit means our spirit walking in accordance with the things of the Spirit.
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You are relying on the theology and opinions of whoever translated the version of the Bible you are using. There are many times where the article 'the' is not in the Greek texts. The translators put 'the' in their translation because it made more sense to them.
 
shroom said:
You are relying on the theology and opinions of whoever translated the version of the Bible you are using. There are many times where the article 'the' is not in the Greek texts. The translators put 'the' in their translation because it made more sense to them.
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And it should. Anarthrous nouns in Greek are definitive which is proven by the fact that proper names usually don't have the article.
 
7thMoon said:
And it should.
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Sometimes.
7thMoon said:
Anarthrous nouns in Greek are definitive which is proven by the fact that proper names usually don't have the article.
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Proper names don't need an article. How many times does the Bible say "the Jesus?"

Also, pneuma hagios is not always a proper noun (unless you're a Trinitarian).
 
shroom said:
You are relying on the theology and opinions of whoever translated the version of the Bible you are using. There are many times where the article 'the' is not in the Greek texts. The translators put 'the' in their translation because it made more sense to them.
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That is a really cheap and obvious and ineffective fall back that is the hallmark of those who contend with the authority and accuracy as to truth of the Bible as we have it today, translated as it is. You have nothing to prove that with and it should be easily provable in this internet age. Except for the fact that there is no way on God's green earth that you can know what was in the minds of the translators as to their reasoning and intent. Someone has told you this and you blindly believe it because it suits you. The Bible does use spirit when that word is used for other than the Holy Spirit. In referring to the Holy Spirit it is always the Holy Spirit. You do not know who He is, therefore you assume spirit always refers to Him, who you think is a what. Every effort to make the Bible not be and say what it has always been recognized as historically, is an attempt to change it. You are changing THAT Bible.
 
Arial said:
That is a really cheap and obvious and ineffective fall back that is the hallmark of those who contend with the authority and accuracy as to truth of the Bible as we have it today, translated as it is. You have nothing to prove that with and it should be easily provable in this internet age. Except for the fact that there is no way on God's green earth that you can know what was in the minds of the translators as to their reasoning and intent. Someone has told you this and you blindly believe it because it suits you. The Bible does use spirit when that word is used for other than the Holy Spirit. In referring to the Holy Spirit it is always the Holy Spirit. You do not know who He is, therefore you assume spirit always refers to Him, who you think is a what. Every effort to make the Bible not be and say what it has always been recognized as historically, is an attempt to change it. You are changing THAT Bible.
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Sigh. There is no Trinity, Arial. The gift of holy spirit is not "the Third Person of the Blessed Trinity." Such an entity does not exist.
 
shroom said:
One day you'll reject it too, and wonder why you didn't see it in this life.
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No that won't happen. Once one has been given the truth by the glorious grace of God, they will never exchange it for a cult. No further discussion between us is necessary.
 
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