God SO LOVES the Entire Human Race

[ICHTHUS]

Note what I have highlighted in red. You simply do not understand what you are reading. Calvin is not saying that Jesus atoned for the sin of all men, or the sin of everyone in the world. If He had, universalism would be true, unless you change the meaning and accomplishment of the atonement.

Whole world here means all nations and types of people.

By all human race Calvin means all nations and types of people.

Like I said, you simply do not understand what you are reading. You read into it what is not there, and read out what is there. Are you saying Judas was saved?! Now who is being silly?

it is evident from what you write, that you only choose what is agreeable with you from what Calvin says, and, typically, ignore that which is against your beliefs

This is from what Calvin says on John 3:16

"Such is also the import of the term World, which he formerly used; for though nothing will be found in the world that is worthy of the favor of God, yet he shows himself to be reconciled to the whole world, when he invites all men without exception to the faith of Christ, which is nothing else than an entrance into life”

Note here, that Calvin defines "the whole world" by, "all men without exception", which is what it means to say, "every single human being". Had Calvin meant to say, "all types of people", then he would have written, "all men without distinction"

With regards to Judas, you fail to understand, that, because Jesus actually dies for someone, does not mean that they are automatically "saved"! Salvation comes from the sinner first "REPENTING and BELIEVING", as Jesus Himself says in Mark 1:15. Salvation is CONDITIONAL, on "REPENTING and BELIEVING", and not the error taught by Calvinists!

 

[ICHTHUS]

@ICHTHUS
If Calvin believed in predestination, then he would of necessity believe in "limited" atonement. That is it is sufficient for all but effectual only for the believer. And even the free will view must acknowledge that the atonement is only effective for the believer, which limits it. The only thing is, Pate at least, and maybe you too, are really saying it was effective for every person, and at the same time saying that it wasn't.

Whether Calvin believed in Predestination is not the issue here, we are dealing with the extent of the Death of Jesus Christ, as the OP says.

When Jesus says to the Jews who wanted to murder Him in John chapter 5, "40 You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life", you will note that "you refuse", is literally, "you are UNWILLING". HOW can Jesus have said this, IF as Calvinism says, there is no FREE WILL? This is yet another FALSE teaching from Calvinism!

 

[Arial]

Whether Calvin believed in Predestination is not the issue here, we are dealing with the extent of the Death of Jesus Christ, as the OP says.

When Jesus says to the Jews who wanted to murder Him in John chapter 5, "40 You study the Scriptures diligently because you think that in them you have eternal life. These are the very Scriptures that testify about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me to have life", you will note that "you refuse", is literally, "you are UNWILLING". HOW can Jesus have said this, IF as Calvinism says, there is no FREE WILL? This is yet another FALSE teaching from Calvinism!

You are the one that brought Calvin into the conversation, insisting he didn't believe in the L of tulip. And the thrust of the OP was the meaning of "world" in John 3:16, in order to tear down Calvinism.

People can have a will without that will being entirely free. Calvinism does not say man has no will. It is the free will sect that has coined that phrase "free will", which is actually a term that makes no sense but is quite effective in triggering man's love of self and desire to be uncontrolled. To be in the driver's seat of his own destiny, so to speak. A person's will is not free but always has pressures put on it and yields to the greatest pressure or desire. By nature man does not want a holy being to be telling them they can't do what they want. They do not want a King. They may be willing to yield to a king in some ways and at some times, when they need something this king can provide, but they are not willing to give up self altogether, and be subject to holiness. They want to maintain their independence from this King. Therefore, they are unwilling to come to Jesus.

 

[Arial]

Note here, that Calvin defines "the whole world" by, "all men without exception", which is what it means to say, "every single human being". Had Calvin meant to say, "all types of people", then he would have written, "all men without distinction"

Note here that Calvin says "invites" all men without exception. Jesus said it this way, "Many are called, but few are chosen."

With regards to Judas, you fail to understand, that, because Jesus actually dies for someone, does not mean that they are automatically "saved"! Salvation comes from the sinner first "REPENTING and BELIEVING", as Jesus Himself says in Mark 1:15. Salvation is CONDITIONAL, on "REPENTING and BELIEVING", and not the error taught by Calvinists!

What do you think the atonement of Jesus was and did?
Your very "reasoning" here shows that the doctrines of predestination must of necessity be true, for if someone dies for someone, he has died for him---in his place---so the other does not have to die. Repentance and believing only comes as a result of the new birth of John 3. The one born in Adam and destined for hell, is reborn in Christ, and this is not by the will of man, but the will of God. (John 1:12-13; 1 John 5:4) This believing (faith) is a gift.

 

[shroom]

Therefore, they are unwilling to come to Jesus.

You were. I was. Many have, and more will.

 

[shroom]

This believing (faith) is a gift.

No. The gift is salvation by faith. When a person decides to have faith in the gospel, God saves them. Not before.