Waiting on Him
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I see in 168 they were born of corrupt seed.
Isaiah 44:24 is scripture. Yahweh himself says that he did it, alone, by himself. He is the elohim who created.
I was once in this camp. Why do you believe that there are two accounts of Joseph’s genealogy in the scriptures?According to the birth narratives in Matthew 1 and Luke 1, he was miraculously begotten by the one true God.
I was once in this camp. Why do you believe that there are two accounts of Joseph’s genealogy in the scriptures?
These are good questions for another topic.I don’t believe there are two accounts of Joseph’s genealogy in the scriptures.
What took you out of the camp?
Isaiah 44:24 is scripture. Yahweh himself says that he did it, alone, by himself. He is the elohim who created.
Isaiah contradicts Moses in several places, but not in this case.
It's after the fact-- Look how Isaiah 24 begins--
Behold, Yahweh maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.
and this describes it--
The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again. And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth. And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.
So when in Isaiah 44 it shouldn't be surprising to read, speaking of Jacob-- that Yahweh created him... forming him in the womb. Genesis two tells us the same thing with respect to Adam. Yahweh describes himself in the account--
Thus saith the Yahweh-- the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Yahweh of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no elohim.
It doesn't mean there are no other elohim-- it means Yahweh has no equal among the host of heaven-- he is the first in rank, and has the final say-- with no elohim equal to him. Yahweh is the Chief elohim. But Genesis is clear and plural-- he did not create alone.
Isaiah 44 in my opinion is speaking of Christ. Christ was formed of God in the spiritual womb above just as Paul says he also was. Jerusalem above the mother of us all.Isaiah contradicts Moses in several places, but not in this case.
It's after the fact-- Look how Isaiah 24 begins--
Behold, Yahweh maketh the earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.
and this describes it--
The earth shall reel to and fro like a drunkard, and shall be removed like a cottage; and the transgression thereof shall be heavy upon it; and it shall fall, and not rise again. And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings of the earth upon the earth. And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many days shall they be visited.
So when in Isaiah 44 it shouldn't be surprising to read, speaking of Jacob-- that Yahweh created him... forming him in the womb. Genesis two tells us the same thing with respect to Adam. Yahweh describes himself in the account--
Thus saith the Yahweh-- the King of Israel, and his redeemer the Yahweh of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no elohim.
It doesn't mean there are no other elohim-- it means Yahweh has no equal among the host of heaven-- he is the first in rank, and has the final say-- with no elohim equal to him. Yahweh is the Chief elohim. But Genesis is clear and plural-- he did not create alone.
Isaiah 44 in my opinion is speaking of Christ. Christ was formed of God in the spiritual womb above just as Paul says he also was. Jerusalem above the mother of us all.
It’s only my opinion that Gods creation spoken of in Genesis began in the first century with the man Jesus Christ first century. The image of the invisible God.