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Sissy
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I think he was referring to the 5 in the genealogy.
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razzelflabben
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The Gentile Mother…
Matthew 15:21-28 and Mark 7:24-30...Jesus goes to Tyre and Sidon where He meets a Canaanite woman who begins crying out to Jesus to heal her daughter. She is begging for mercy from the Messiah, not for herself but for her daughter. The daughter is being tormented by a demon. Before we move on in the story let’s consider her request that Jesus show her and her daughter mercy. God would rather have us show mercy than to sacrifice all we have. (Matthew 9:13; Matthew 12:7’ Matthew 18:33) God is a God of mercy. (Luke 1:50; Romans 9:14-23; Romans 11:30-32; Romans 15:9; Ephesians 2:4; I Timothy 1:16; Titus 3:5; Hebrews 4:16; I Peter 1:3; Jude 1) It is up to God who He shows mercy to and who He doesn’t. (Romans 9:15) It is a mercy that was intended for both Jews and Gentiles but at that moment in history, Jesus was taking the good news of God’s mercy only to the Jews. (I Peter 2:9-10) Mercy however is something we as believers are also called to show to others. (Matthew 18:33; Romans 12:8; II Corinthians 4:1; James 2:13; James 3:17) So basically, the woman is begging Jesus, no matter His reason for being here on earth, to show her compassion and forgiveness even though He could slay her but not mercy for her but for her daughter. The Canaanite woman recognized the authority of Jesus over her and still begged for mercy for the one she loved.
At first, Jesus ignores her and the disciples urge Him to send her away. This might sound harsh on Jesus' part but there is a reason for it. He goes on to say that He was sent to Israel only, to show the Jews the way of salvation which is faith in Him. The woman persists just as we are to persist in prayer. (Daniel 10:12-14; Luke 11:5-13; Luke 18:1-8; Romans 2:7; Romans 12:12; II Timothy 4:2) She cries out to Jesus, “Lord, Help me!” What seems uncharacteristic of Jesus, He responds to the woman, “It isn’t right to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” Here is a woman who is begging Jesus for compassion, mercy, and Jesus calls her a dog. When I looked into this what I found is that the word is used metaphorically as a man of impure mind or in other words, Jesus was calling her a Gentile, a heathen. It was not as uncomely as we today might think. But the woman knew who she was and that she was indeed what Jesus called her. She had taken a good look at herself and discovered the truth of who she was and her relationship to the one who could help her. (Romans 12:3; Ecclesiastes 7:16; Romans 11:20; Romans 12:16; Psalms 139:23; I Thessalonians 2:4; Psalms 19:12; Psalms 26:2)
The woman accepts her position in the world and continues with some wisdom of her own. “Yes Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters table.” With her acceptance of who she is and the humility that it demands, she makes yet another plea for just the scraps, nothing about favor or gifts or riches of any kind, simply scraps from the Master’s table. She was willing to accept the leftovers, the discarded remains that were part of the Kingdom of God. (Psalms 84:10-12; Psalms 27:4; Psalms 26:8; Psalms 61:4; Matthew 5:29-30; Hebrews 11:16) This woman, who was just called a dog, finds favor with Jesus by knowing and accepting her position in the Kingdom and finds contentment in the favor of receiving only the scraps.
Matthew 15:21-28 and Mark 7:24-30...Jesus goes to Tyre and Sidon where He meets a Canaanite woman who begins crying out to Jesus to heal her daughter. She is begging for mercy from the Messiah, not for herself but for her daughter. The daughter is being tormented by a demon. Before we move on in the story let’s consider her request that Jesus show her and her daughter mercy. God would rather have us show mercy than to sacrifice all we have. (Matthew 9:13; Matthew 12:7’ Matthew 18:33) God is a God of mercy. (Luke 1:50; Romans 9:14-23; Romans 11:30-32; Romans 15:9; Ephesians 2:4; I Timothy 1:16; Titus 3:5; Hebrews 4:16; I Peter 1:3; Jude 1) It is up to God who He shows mercy to and who He doesn’t. (Romans 9:15) It is a mercy that was intended for both Jews and Gentiles but at that moment in history, Jesus was taking the good news of God’s mercy only to the Jews. (I Peter 2:9-10) Mercy however is something we as believers are also called to show to others. (Matthew 18:33; Romans 12:8; II Corinthians 4:1; James 2:13; James 3:17) So basically, the woman is begging Jesus, no matter His reason for being here on earth, to show her compassion and forgiveness even though He could slay her but not mercy for her but for her daughter. The Canaanite woman recognized the authority of Jesus over her and still begged for mercy for the one she loved.
At first, Jesus ignores her and the disciples urge Him to send her away. This might sound harsh on Jesus' part but there is a reason for it. He goes on to say that He was sent to Israel only, to show the Jews the way of salvation which is faith in Him. The woman persists just as we are to persist in prayer. (Daniel 10:12-14; Luke 11:5-13; Luke 18:1-8; Romans 2:7; Romans 12:12; II Timothy 4:2) She cries out to Jesus, “Lord, Help me!” What seems uncharacteristic of Jesus, He responds to the woman, “It isn’t right to take the children’s bread and throw it to the dogs.” Here is a woman who is begging Jesus for compassion, mercy, and Jesus calls her a dog. When I looked into this what I found is that the word is used metaphorically as a man of impure mind or in other words, Jesus was calling her a Gentile, a heathen. It was not as uncomely as we today might think. But the woman knew who she was and that she was indeed what Jesus called her. She had taken a good look at herself and discovered the truth of who she was and her relationship to the one who could help her. (Romans 12:3; Ecclesiastes 7:16; Romans 11:20; Romans 12:16; Psalms 139:23; I Thessalonians 2:4; Psalms 19:12; Psalms 26:2)
The woman accepts her position in the world and continues with some wisdom of her own. “Yes Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters table.” With her acceptance of who she is and the humility that it demands, she makes yet another plea for just the scraps, nothing about favor or gifts or riches of any kind, simply scraps from the Master’s table. She was willing to accept the leftovers, the discarded remains that were part of the Kingdom of God. (Psalms 84:10-12; Psalms 27:4; Psalms 26:8; Psalms 61:4; Matthew 5:29-30; Hebrews 11:16) This woman, who was just called a dog, finds favor with Jesus by knowing and accepting her position in the Kingdom and finds contentment in the favor of receiving only the scraps.
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razzelflabben
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Mary Magdalene…
John 20:11-18...Mary is a very interesting woman in scripture. Many people love to speculate about her and her relationship with Jesus. In fact, there is very little in scripture about what she said or did, only that Jesus cast seven demons out of her and that she traveled with the disciples and Jesus in service to Jesus and His message. She was at the crucifixion, the tomb, and she was the first to see the resurrected Savior. The most significant story of Mary of Magdalene is that she was the first witness to the resurrected Lord. That said, there is much that Mary can teach us if we actually listen to her quietness. Mary had good reason to go and tell the world about this man who freed her from the demons that had taken residence in her life, but instead, she followed, (Matthew 4:19; Matthew 16:24; Matthew 10:38; Luke 14:27) served, (Matthew 20:26-28; Mark 10:45; Matthew 23:11; Mark 8:35) and waited (Psalms 27:14; Psalms 130:5; Romans 8:10; Hebrews 9:28) quietly (I Timothy 2:11; Matthew 5:5; Zephaniah 3:12; Matthew 11:29; Galatians 5:23; Ephesians 4:2; Colossians 3:12; I Timothy 6:11; James 3:13 and 17) for the moment in which Jesus intended to give her the most important message of all. Mary left all that she might have had to follow with meekness as she waited for God to send her out. This is significant and so often overlooked when we have a passion to be about the Lord’s business.
Mary also watched. (Matthew 26:41; Matthew 24:4; Mark 13:33; Luke 12:15; Luke 21:34; Galatians 6:1; Hebrews 3:12; II John 1:8) She watched them crucify Jesus and then watched over the tomb when he was buried. In fact, it is at this point we see the most interaction between Mary and anyone including Jesus. She goes to the tomb and sees two angels, one at the head and one at the feet. She couldn’t help but allow the tears to fall from her eyes. Not only was Jesus dead, but his body was gone. When asked why she was crying, Mary responds, “because they have taken away my Lord and I don’t know where they have put Him.” She then turns and sees Jesus but doesn’t recognize Him. She thought He was just a gardener. Again she insisted that someone took the body and she wanted to know where it was. When she realizes it is Jesus, she is overwhelmed. Then Jesus tells her what she must have been waiting a long time to hear. He said that He wanted her to go and tell the men that she had seen the risen Lord, that he was going to the Father. Mary had waited and watched and when the time was right, she was chosen to share one of the most important messages in the history of the world. Jesus is risen! Mary had learned the value of being quick to listen and slow to speak. (James 1:19; Ecclesiastes 5:2) Jesus already knew her heart, what He needed was for her to wait till the time was right to share all the beauty and wonderment that she had seen, heard, and experienced. She could have been jealous of others but instead she put her trust in God and waited with quietness and patience. (I Samuel 16:7; I Kings 8:39; Luke 16:15; Proverbs 21:2; Romans 8:26-27)
John 20:11-18...Mary is a very interesting woman in scripture. Many people love to speculate about her and her relationship with Jesus. In fact, there is very little in scripture about what she said or did, only that Jesus cast seven demons out of her and that she traveled with the disciples and Jesus in service to Jesus and His message. She was at the crucifixion, the tomb, and she was the first to see the resurrected Savior. The most significant story of Mary of Magdalene is that she was the first witness to the resurrected Lord. That said, there is much that Mary can teach us if we actually listen to her quietness. Mary had good reason to go and tell the world about this man who freed her from the demons that had taken residence in her life, but instead, she followed, (Matthew 4:19; Matthew 16:24; Matthew 10:38; Luke 14:27) served, (Matthew 20:26-28; Mark 10:45; Matthew 23:11; Mark 8:35) and waited (Psalms 27:14; Psalms 130:5; Romans 8:10; Hebrews 9:28) quietly (I Timothy 2:11; Matthew 5:5; Zephaniah 3:12; Matthew 11:29; Galatians 5:23; Ephesians 4:2; Colossians 3:12; I Timothy 6:11; James 3:13 and 17) for the moment in which Jesus intended to give her the most important message of all. Mary left all that she might have had to follow with meekness as she waited for God to send her out. This is significant and so often overlooked when we have a passion to be about the Lord’s business.
Mary also watched. (Matthew 26:41; Matthew 24:4; Mark 13:33; Luke 12:15; Luke 21:34; Galatians 6:1; Hebrews 3:12; II John 1:8) She watched them crucify Jesus and then watched over the tomb when he was buried. In fact, it is at this point we see the most interaction between Mary and anyone including Jesus. She goes to the tomb and sees two angels, one at the head and one at the feet. She couldn’t help but allow the tears to fall from her eyes. Not only was Jesus dead, but his body was gone. When asked why she was crying, Mary responds, “because they have taken away my Lord and I don’t know where they have put Him.” She then turns and sees Jesus but doesn’t recognize Him. She thought He was just a gardener. Again she insisted that someone took the body and she wanted to know where it was. When she realizes it is Jesus, she is overwhelmed. Then Jesus tells her what she must have been waiting a long time to hear. He said that He wanted her to go and tell the men that she had seen the risen Lord, that he was going to the Father. Mary had waited and watched and when the time was right, she was chosen to share one of the most important messages in the history of the world. Jesus is risen! Mary had learned the value of being quick to listen and slow to speak. (James 1:19; Ecclesiastes 5:2) Jesus already knew her heart, what He needed was for her to wait till the time was right to share all the beauty and wonderment that she had seen, heard, and experienced. She could have been jealous of others but instead she put her trust in God and waited with quietness and patience. (I Samuel 16:7; I Kings 8:39; Luke 16:15; Proverbs 21:2; Romans 8:26-27)
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Arial
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One of my favorites is Deborrah, who we don't hear much about, and also deals with the question of women in positions of authority.
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Arial
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And Ruth and Rahab were outside the Jewish community. Another interesting study subject. It of course pictures the Gentiles being grafted in but I am sure there is much more than that. Razz I know you are doing NT women, I am just commenting on posts on my way through the thread.My kind of gals.
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razzelflabben
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No problem, I will get to the OT women in time...I have 4 ongoing studies right now plus trying to help my husband start a self supporting ministry so I am not as quick as I sometimes am.And Ruth and Rahab were outside the Jewish community. Another interesting study subject. It of course pictures the Gentiles being grafted in but I am sure there is much more than that. Razz I know you are doing NT women, I am just commenting on posts on my way through the thread.
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Yes, it does, but this was during the dispensation of the Law of Moses...
During the dispensation of GRACE or 'The Church' (32 AD till present day and beyond), Jesus gives us the commandments found in Paul's writings of 1 Timothy 2:9-15.
His words, Not Mine
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Arial
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Oh I agree. Women are not to hold positions of authority or governance in the church. Deborah was a warrior and a warrior was needed, and the men were too afraid, or off about other business. (Not saying a bad thing about men. Just repeating what the Bible says.)
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patrick jane
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This my long goodbye. I've learned so much from all of you, men and women. I think some have passed on and we all will.
I will never forget Joe, Sissy, 1Mind, Knight, Right Divider, Glorydaz, God's Truth, Michael Cadry, Mrs. e, Lori Bolinger, Mark Schmidt and many others.
Xenn, Cobra, daqq. Many came in different names and IP addresses and musterion. The man I thank the most is Jesus Christ and next is STP, you know him.
Liam, David Wilkerson, Dr. Charles Stanley, Will Goodrich, my family of course. If I forgot a name or a thanks I remember you too. I'm done with forums for now, it's time to try to heal if possible and see where it leads. I hope to talk to you all again. John W and Skeko lest I forget. Priceless.
I will never forget Joe, Sissy, 1Mind, Knight, Right Divider, Glorydaz, God's Truth, Michael Cadry, Mrs. e, Lori Bolinger, Mark Schmidt and many others.
Xenn, Cobra, daqq. Many came in different names and IP addresses and musterion. The man I thank the most is Jesus Christ and next is STP, you know him.
Liam, David Wilkerson, Dr. Charles Stanley, Will Goodrich, my family of course. If I forgot a name or a thanks I remember you too. I'm done with forums for now, it's time to try to heal if possible and see where it leads. I hope to talk to you all again. John W and Skeko lest I forget. Priceless.
there is a lot of confusion with 1 Tim 2:11-12....Most of it is activist trying to help Satan with his job......Yet, it is very clear that Women may NOT Teach or Preach within the Church... Anywhere else the Bible does not tell us but in the 4 walls of a bonafide church that worships Jesus Christ as our Lord and savior is a No-NO! Do as you will and God will Judge as He pleases. Gary
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patrick jane
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I disagree Gary, bladerunner. The book of Ruth. Paul spoke/wrote about women who were in Christ before him. Everything is not exactly how it was written centuries ago.
I want to thank a woman named Mary who also went by the name Phoebe or Phebe and she introduced me to Les Feldick a dispensationalist teacher. So, you can say that women are not allowed to preach or teach scripture in a church, but I respectfully disagree.
I also thank Clete as he sharpened my understanding. I apologize again if there's anyone I didn't thank because I learned from you all and I don't want anymore of this.