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The Trinity in Creation in The Old Testament

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In the very first verse of the Book of Beginnings, Genesis, we read:

“In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth”

The Hebrew for “God”, is “אֱלֹהִ֑ים”, which is masculine, plural; and “created”, is “בָּרָ֣א”, which is masculine, singular, and is literally, “He created”.

Some have argued that the plural “אֱלֹהִ֑ים”, is for “plural of majesties”, as a king or queen would say “we”. There is no Biblical evidence to support this, which is used by those who oppose the Bible’s teaching of the Holy Trinity.

In Genesis 1:26-27, we read:

“Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”. So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them”

Here we have “אֱלֹהִ֑ים” as the Speaker, Who says, “נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה” (let US make, plural), man, “בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ” (in OUR Image, plural), “כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ” (according to OUR Likeness).

Those who reject the Teaching of the Holy Trinity: One God, in Three distinct “Persons”, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit, Who are completely equal, as Creators, have tried to explain this. We have the Palestinian Aramaic Targum, “ And the Lord said to the angels who ministered before Him, who had been created in the second day of the creation of the world, Let us make man in Our image, in Our likeness”. And, in the Jewish Study Bible, “The plural construction (Let us . . . ) most likely reflects a setting in the divine council (cf. 1 Kings 22.19-22; Isa. ch 6; Job chs 1-2): God the King announces the proposed course of action to His cabinet of subordinate deities, though He alone retains the power of decision”

It is interesting that neither explanation argues for “plural of majesties”, in the language used in this verse. The Targum says that God is speaking to His “angels”, when He uses the plural, “let US…OUR”. But, in the next verse, this same Targum reads, “And the Lord created man in His likeness: In the image of the Lord He

created him”, which contradicts what they read in verse 26, as it is clear that humans are created in the Image and Likeness of GOD, and not God, and His created angels! The Jewish Study Bible is interesting, as it says that God is speaking here to His, “divine council…to His cabinet of subordinate deities”, which shows that there is one God and there are other “gods”, which is not Monotheistic! The Jerusalem Targum is even more interesting in verse 27, “And the Word of the Lord created man in His likeness, in the likeness of the presence of the Lord He created him”. Creation of humans is by “the Word of the Lord”, which is what John 1:1-3 says!

In Isaiah 51:13, we read, “And forget Yahweh your Maker, that has stretched forth the heavens, and laid the foundations of the earth”. Here “Maker”, in the Hebrew is, “עֹשֶׂ֗ךָ”, which is masculine singular. However, in 54:5, we read, “For your Maker is your husband; Yahweh of hosts is His Name”. Here, “Maker” is the Hebrew, “עֹשַׂיִךְ”, which is masculine, plural, “Makers”! And, in Ecclesiastes 12:1, where it reads, “Remember now your Creator in the days of your youth”, here also the Hebrew, “אֶת־בּוֹרְאֶיךָ”, is masculine, plural, literally, “your Creators”. Whereas, in Isaiah 40:28, and 43:15, we have, “בּרא”, which is singular. Clearly, the use of the plural means more than One Person. It is not used in the sense of “majesties”, as if the singular does not speak of the “Majesty” of the Great God of the Bible!

Creation, in the Old Testament, is clearly the Work of The Three Persons of the Holy Trinity.

God The Father:

“Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am” (Isaiah 41:4)

“Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth” (Isaiah 42:5)

“Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God” (Isaiah 44:6)

“For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else” (Isaiah 45:18)

As we shall see, what is said of the Father, is also said of Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit.

God The Son:

Isaiah 48:1-17


The words in this verse are like those found in verse 3, “I have declared the former things from the beginning”, and verse 5, “I have even from the beginning declared it to you”. In verse 12 and 13 the Speaker says, “Listen to Me, O Jacob and Israel, My called; I am He, I am the First, I also am the Last. My hand has also laid the foundation of the earth, and My right hand spread out the heavens”. In verse 15 we read, “I, even I have spoken, yes, and I have called him”. In the very next verse, we read, “Thus says YHWH, your Redeemer, The Holy One of Israel: “I am YHWH your God, Who teaches you to profit, Who leads you by the way you should go”.

Then, in verse 16, The Speaker, Who is Yahweh, says:

“Draw near to Me, hearken to this; in the beginning I did not speak in secret, from the time it was, there was I, and now, the Lord God has sent Me, and His Spirit” (This is the order of words in the Hebrew, Greek and Latin Old Testament)

The Hebrew verb “שְׁלָחַנִי” is masculine, singular, 3rd person, “He has sent Me”.

The Speaker can only be The Eternal, Creator God. Making the Speaker in chapter 48, verses 1-17, a distinct “Person/Individual”, Who is also Yahweh. He is “sent” by “'Adônây YHWH”, and therefore cannot be the same “Person/Individual”, as the Sender. We have TWO Who are equally Yahweh, BOTH Creators.

God The Holy Spirit:

Job 33:4


“The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.” (ESV, Hebrew-English Old Testament)

“The spirit of God hath made me, And the breath of the Almighty given me life.” (The Holy Scriptures According to the Masoretic Text, A New Translation. The Jewish Publication Society of America. 5677-1917)

“The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life” (Dr A Benisch; Jewish School and Family Bible, Vol. IV)

“The spirit of God formed me; The breath of Shaddai sustains me” (The Jewish Study Bible)

In the Hebrew we have “עָשָׂ֑תְנִי”, which is literally, “she has made me”. Not because the Holy Spirit is “female”, but, for grammatical agreement of gender, with, “רוּח” (Spirit), which is also feminine. It makes it clear, that here reference is not to “God”, but rather to “the Spirit”, Who is the Creator.

made”, from the Hebrew verb, “עֲשׂוֹת”, which is used in Genesis 1

“in the beginning God created (בָּרָא) the heavens and the earth…God made (עֲשׂוֹת) the expanse” (Genesis 1:1, 7)

Note in this verse from Job, that “רוּח” (Spirit) is distinct from “נשׁמה” (breath), which is seen in Genesis 2:7, “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath (נשׁמה)of life; and man became a living soul”. Job 33:4, is a clear reference to Genesis 2:7, which shows that the Holy Spirit Himself is “the LORD God”.

“The Divine Spirit is that which formed me, and the breath of the Almighty that which teaches me.” (Lancelot Brenton, The Septuagint in Greek and English)

Job 26:13

“By His Spirit He adorned the heavens; His hand pierced the fleeing serpent” (NKJV)

“שִׁפְרָ֑ה”, is in the feminine, singular, literally, “she made beautiful”, because here, like in 33:4, the feminine is for grammatical agreement of gender, with, “רוּח” (Spirit).The Hebrew lexicon by Gesenius reads: “by his (God’s) Spirit the heavens were made brightness,” i.e. splendid, most splendid”

Some versions of the Bible here translate “רוּח”, as “breath”, or “wind”, which are both wrong in this context, as the grammar shows that “רוּח” is Personal, as the Creator. The Jewish Bible here reads:

“By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens ; his hand hath pierced the fleeing serpent” (Dr A Benisch; Jewish School and Family Bible, Vol. IV)

And, the Latin and Syriac, made from the Hebrew, read:

“His spirit has adorned the heavens, and his birthing hand has brought forth the winding serpent” (Latin Vulgate)

“By his spirit he manages the heavens; his hand slew the fleeing serpent” (Syriac Peshetta)

The Creative Word of the Holy Spirit in “the heavens”. Yet we read that the “heavens” are the Work of Yahweh, “And forget Yahweh your maker, that has stretched forth the heavens, and laid the foundations of the earth” (Isaiah 51:13)

In this verse we have the same Hebrew word used in Job 33:4, “עֲשׂוֹת” (made). Both verses from Job are clear that the Holy Spirit also Created the “heavens and the earth”.

Here we have Old Testament evidence for The Holy Trinity in Creation. The “distinction” of the “Persons”, is clear from Isaiah 48:16, where the Sender, Who is Yahweh, Sends another, Who is also Yahweh, and the Holy Spirit.
 
Matthew 12:31 Therefore I tell you, people will be forgiven for every sin and blasphemy, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

In a debate that I read, this verse was offered to demonstrate against the trinity as blaspheme against Jesus and God could be forgiven, but never against the Holy Spirit.

What are your thoughts on this?
 
Matthew 12:31 Therefore I tell you, people will be forgiven for every sin and blasphemy, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

In a debate that I read, this verse was offered to demonstrate against the trinity as blaspheme against Jesus and God could be forgiven, but never against the Holy Spirit.

What are your thoughts on this?

Hi, I am not sure how this verse, as the other Gospels, can be used to deny the Bible's Teaching on the Holy Trinity?

Jesus is here speaking on what the Pharisees had said in verse 24, "But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, “This man does not cast out demons, except by Beelzebul, the prince of the demons.”. Where they attributed the Work of The Holy Spirit, to the devil, which would make the Spirit, Who is HOLY and Almighty God, "unclean and demonic". This, I believe is the main point here, as we can see from Mark 3.

In 1 Timothy 1:13, Paul says, "though formerly I was a blasphemer, persecutor, and insolent opponent. But I received mercy because I had acted ignorantly in unbelief". Though this was not against the Work of the Holy Spirit, nor saying what the Pharisees had done about Jesus' Miracles.

There are a few passages in the Bible that clearly Teach that God is One Being, though Three distinct Persons, Who are coequal, coeternal, and coessential.
 
There are a few passages in the Bible that clearly Teach that God is One Being, though Three distinct Persons, Who are coequal, coeternal, and coessential.
Well, you have come to the right place to test that theory. You shouldn't have to wait long.

What do you think of this?


I am not sure how this verse, as the other Gospels, can be used to deny the Bible's Teaching on the Holy Trinity?
I believe the point that was being made was that if blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unforgiveable, than blaspheme against Jesus or God would also be unforgiveable if all three are one. But sinse they are not the same, they are not 1.
 
In the very first verse of the Book of Beginnings, Genesis, we read:

“In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth”

The Hebrew for “God”, is “אֱלֹהִ֑ים”, which is masculine, plural; and “created”, is “בָּרָ֣א”, which is masculine, singular, and is literally, “He created”.

Some have argued that the plural “אֱלֹהִ֑ים”, is for “plural of majesties”, as a king or queen would say “we”. There is no Biblical evidence to support this, which is used by those who oppose the Bible’s teaching of the Holy Trinity.

In Genesis 1:26-27, we read:

“Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”. So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them”

Here we have “אֱלֹהִ֑ים” as the Speaker, Who says, “נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה” (let US make, plural), man, “בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ” (in OUR Image, plural), “כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ” (according to OUR Likeness).

Those who reject the Teaching of the Holy Trinity: One God, in Three distinct “Persons”, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit, Who are completely equal, as Creators, have tried to explain this. We have the Palestinian Aramaic Targum, “ And the Lord said to the angels who ministered before Him, who had been created in the second day of the creation of the world, Let us make man in Our image, in Our likeness”. And, in the Jewish Study Bible, “The plural construction (Let us . . . ) most likely reflects a setting in the divine council (cf. 1 Kings 22.19-22; Isa. ch 6; Job chs 1-2): God the King announces the proposed course of action to His cabinet of subordinate deities, though He alone retains the power of decision”

It is interesting that neither explanation argues for “plural of majesties”, in the language used in this verse. The Targum says that God is speaking to His “angels”, when He uses the plural, “let US…OUR”. But, in the next verse, this same Targum reads, “And the Lord created man in His likeness: In the image of the Lord He

created him”, which contradicts what they read in verse 26, as it is clear that humans are created in the Image and Likeness of GOD, and not God, and His created angels! The Jewish Study Bible is interesting, as it says that God is speaking here to His, “divine council…to His cabinet of subordinate deities”, which shows that there is one God and there are other “gods”, which is not Monotheistic! The Jerusalem Targum is even more interesting in verse 27, “And the Word of the Lord created man in His likeness, in the likeness of the presence of the Lord He created him”. Creation of humans is by “the Word of the Lord”, which is what John 1:1-3 says!

In Isaiah 51:13, we read, “And forget Yahweh your Maker, that has stretched forth the heavens, and laid the foundations of the earth”. Here “Maker”, in the Hebrew is, “עֹשֶׂ֗ךָ”, which is masculine singular. However, in 54:5, we read, “For your Maker is your husband; Yahweh of hosts is His Name”. Here, “Maker” is the Hebrew, “עֹשַׂיִךְ”, which is masculine, plural, “Makers”! And, in Ecclesiastes 12:1, where it reads, “Remember now your Creator in the days of your youth”, here also the Hebrew, “אֶת־בּוֹרְאֶיךָ”, is masculine, plural, literally, “your Creators”. Whereas, in Isaiah 40:28, and 43:15, we have, “בּרא”, which is singular. Clearly, the use of the plural means more than One Person. It is not used in the sense of “majesties”, as if the singular does not speak of the “Majesty” of the Great God of the Bible!

Creation, in the Old Testament, is clearly the Work of The Three Persons of the Holy Trinity.

God The Father:

“Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am” (Isaiah 41:4)

“Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth” (Isaiah 42:5)

“Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God” (Isaiah 44:6)

“For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else” (Isaiah 45:18)

As we shall see, what is said of the Father, is also said of Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit.

God The Son:

Isaiah 48:1-17


The words in this verse are like those found in verse 3, “I have declared the former things from the beginning”, and verse 5, “I have even from the beginning declared it to you”. In verse 12 and 13 the Speaker says, “Listen to Me, O Jacob and Israel, My called; I am He, I am the First, I also am the Last. My hand has also laid the foundation of the earth, and My right hand spread out the heavens”. In verse 15 we read, “I, even I have spoken, yes, and I have called him”. In the very next verse, we read, “Thus says YHWH, your Redeemer, The Holy One of Israel: “I am YHWH your God, Who teaches you to profit, Who leads you by the way you should go”.

Then, in verse 16, The Speaker, Who is Yahweh, says:

“Draw near to Me, hearken to this; in the beginning I did not speak in secret, from the time it was, there was I, and now, the Lord God has sent Me, and His Spirit” (This is the order of words in the Hebrew, Greek and Latin Old Testament)

The Hebrew verb “שְׁלָחַנִי” is masculine, singular, 3rd person, “He has sent Me”.

The Speaker can only be The Eternal, Creator God. Making the Speaker in chapter 48, verses 1-17, a distinct “Person/Individual”, Who is also Yahweh. He is “sent” by “'Adônây YHWH”, and therefore cannot be the same “Person/Individual”, as the Sender. We have TWO Who are equally Yahweh, BOTH Creators.

God The Holy Spirit:

Job 33:4


“The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.” (ESV, Hebrew-English Old Testament)

“The spirit of God hath made me, And the breath of the Almighty given me life.” (The Holy Scriptures According to the Masoretic Text, A New Translation. The Jewish Publication Society of America. 5677-1917)

“The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life” (Dr A Benisch; Jewish School and Family Bible, Vol. IV)

“The spirit of God formed me; The breath of Shaddai sustains me” (The Jewish Study Bible)

In the Hebrew we have “עָשָׂ֑תְנִי”, which is literally, “she has made me”. Not because the Holy Spirit is “female”, but, for grammatical agreement of gender, with, “רוּח” (Spirit), which is also feminine. It makes it clear, that here reference is not to “God”, but rather to “the Spirit”, Who is the Creator.

made”, from the Hebrew verb, “עֲשׂוֹת”, which is used in Genesis 1

“in the beginning God created (בָּרָא) the heavens and the earth…God made (עֲשׂוֹת) the expanse” (Genesis 1:1, 7)

Note in this verse from Job, that “רוּח” (Spirit) is distinct from “נשׁמה” (breath), which is seen in Genesis 2:7, “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath (נשׁמה)of life; and man became a living soul”. Job 33:4, is a clear reference to Genesis 2:7, which shows that the Holy Spirit Himself is “the LORD God”.

“The Divine Spirit is that which formed me, and the breath of the Almighty that which teaches me.” (Lancelot Brenton, The Septuagint in Greek and English)

Job 26:13

“By His Spirit He adorned the heavens; His hand pierced the fleeing serpent” (NKJV)

“שִׁפְרָ֑ה”, is in the feminine, singular, literally, “she made beautiful”, because here, like in 33:4, the feminine is for grammatical agreement of gender, with, “רוּח” (Spirit).The Hebrew lexicon by Gesenius reads: “by his (God’s) Spirit the heavens were made brightness,” i.e. splendid, most splendid”

Some versions of the Bible here translate “רוּח”, as “breath”, or “wind”, which are both wrong in this context, as the grammar shows that “רוּח” is Personal, as the Creator. The Jewish Bible here reads:

“By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens ; his hand hath pierced the fleeing serpent” (Dr A Benisch; Jewish School and Family Bible, Vol. IV)

And, the Latin and Syriac, made from the Hebrew, read:

“His spirit has adorned the heavens, and his birthing hand has brought forth the winding serpent” (Latin Vulgate)

“By his spirit he manages the heavens; his hand slew the fleeing serpent” (Syriac Peshetta)

The Creative Word of the Holy Spirit in “the heavens”. Yet we read that the “heavens” are the Work of Yahweh, “And forget Yahweh your maker, that has stretched forth the heavens, and laid the foundations of the earth” (Isaiah 51:13)

In this verse we have the same Hebrew word used in Job 33:4, “עֲשׂוֹת” (made). Both verses from Job are clear that the Holy Spirit also Created the “heavens and the earth”.

Here we have Old Testament evidence for The Holy Trinity in Creation. The “distinction” of the “Persons”, is clear from Isaiah 48:16, where the Sender, Who is Yahweh, Sends another, Who is also Yahweh, and the Holy Spirit.
Yeppers.
That YHWH is a plurality is all through scripture.

Welcome to White Horse.
 
Well, you have come to the right place to test that theory. You shouldn't have to wait long.

What do you think of this?



I believe the point that was being made was that if blasphemy against the Holy Spirit is unforgiveable, than blaspheme against Jesus or God would also be unforgiveable if all three are one. But sinse they are not the same, they are not 1.

The Father, Son and The Holy Spirit are not one and the same Person; though they are One Godhead, as each Person is YHWH, The Eternal, Self-Existing God.

I belive that 1 John 5:7 to be part of the original First Epistle of John, and have done an indepth study from the Greek grammar, showing that it has to be, or else there are grammatical problems, which is not possible with the Word of God
 
which is not possible with the Word of God
I do not share the "magic" in the connotation of "the Word of God," though I think that most do share your opinion here.

I belive that 1 John 5:7 to be part of the original First Epistle of John, and have done an indepth study from the Greek grammar, showing that it has to be, or else there are grammatical problems, which is not possible with the Word of God

It didn't exist in the earlier texts, then it existed as a marginal note, then it was added to scripture. Kinda like the adulterous women, but without the marginal notes.
 
In the very first verse of the Book of Beginnings, Genesis, we read:

“In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth”

The Hebrew for “God”, is “אֱלֹהִ֑ים”, which is masculine, plural; and “created”, is “בָּרָ֣א”, which is masculine, singular, and is literally, “He created”.

Some have argued that the plural “אֱלֹהִ֑ים”, is for “plural of majesties”, as a king or queen would say “we”. There is no Biblical evidence to support this, which is used by those who oppose the Bible’s teaching of the Holy Trinity.

In Genesis 1:26-27, we read:

“Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”. So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them”

Here we have “אֱלֹהִ֑ים” as the Speaker, Who says, “נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה” (let US make, plural), man, “בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ” (in OUR Image, plural), “כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ” (according to OUR Likeness).

Those who reject the Teaching of the Holy Trinity: One God, in Three distinct “Persons”, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit, Who are completely equal, as Creators, have tried to explain this. We have the Palestinian Aramaic Targum, “ And the Lord said to the angels who ministered before Him, who had been created in the second day of the creation of the world, Let us make man in Our image, in Our likeness”. And, in the Jewish Study Bible, “The plural construction (Let us . . . ) most likely reflects a setting in the divine council (cf. 1 Kings 22.19-22; Isa. ch 6; Job chs 1-2): God the King announces the proposed course of action to His cabinet of subordinate deities, though He alone retains the power of decision”

It is interesting that neither explanation argues for “plural of majesties”, in the language used in this verse. The Targum says that God is speaking to His “angels”, when He uses the plural, “let US…OUR”. But, in the next verse, this same Targum reads, “And the Lord created man in His likeness: In the image of the Lord He

created him”, which contradicts what they read in verse 26, as it is clear that humans are created in the Image and Likeness of GOD, and not God, and His created angels! The Jewish Study Bible is interesting, as it says that God is speaking here to His, “divine council…to His cabinet of subordinate deities”, which shows that there is one God and there are other “gods”, which is not Monotheistic! The Jerusalem Targum is even more interesting in verse 27, “And the Word of the Lord created man in His likeness, in the likeness of the presence of the Lord He created him”. Creation of humans is by “the Word of the Lord”, which is what John 1:1-3 says!

In Isaiah 51:13, we read, “And forget Yahweh your Maker, that has stretched forth the heavens, and laid the foundations of the earth”. Here “Maker”, in the Hebrew is, “עֹשֶׂ֗ךָ”, which is masculine singular. However, in 54:5, we read, “For your Maker is your husband; Yahweh of hosts is His Name”. Here, “Maker” is the Hebrew, “עֹשַׂיִךְ”, which is masculine, plural, “Makers”! And, in Ecclesiastes 12:1, where it reads, “Remember now your Creator in the days of your youth”, here also the Hebrew, “אֶת־בּוֹרְאֶיךָ”, is masculine, plural, literally, “your Creators”. Whereas, in Isaiah 40:28, and 43:15, we have, “בּרא”, which is singular. Clearly, the use of the plural means more than One Person. It is not used in the sense of “majesties”, as if the singular does not speak of the “Majesty” of the Great God of the Bible!

Creation, in the Old Testament, is clearly the Work of The Three Persons of the Holy Trinity.

God The Father:

“Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am” (Isaiah 41:4)

“Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth” (Isaiah 42:5)

“Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God” (Isaiah 44:6)

“For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else” (Isaiah 45:18)

As we shall see, what is said of the Father, is also said of Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit.

God The Son:

Isaiah 48:1-17


The words in this verse are like those found in verse 3, “I have declared the former things from the beginning”, and verse 5, “I have even from the beginning declared it to you”. In verse 12 and 13 the Speaker says, “Listen to Me, O Jacob and Israel, My called; I am He, I am the First, I also am the Last. My hand has also laid the foundation of the earth, and My right hand spread out the heavens”. In verse 15 we read, “I, even I have spoken, yes, and I have called him”. In the very next verse, we read, “Thus says YHWH, your Redeemer, The Holy One of Israel: “I am YHWH your God, Who teaches you to profit, Who leads you by the way you should go”.

Then, in verse 16, The Speaker, Who is Yahweh, says:

“Draw near to Me, hearken to this; in the beginning I did not speak in secret, from the time it was, there was I, and now, the Lord God has sent Me, and His Spirit” (This is the order of words in the Hebrew, Greek and Latin Old Testament)

The Hebrew verb “שְׁלָחַנִי” is masculine, singular, 3rd person, “He has sent Me”.

The Speaker can only be The Eternal, Creator God. Making the Speaker in chapter 48, verses 1-17, a distinct “Person/Individual”, Who is also Yahweh. He is “sent” by “'Adônây YHWH”, and therefore cannot be the same “Person/Individual”, as the Sender. We have TWO Who are equally Yahweh, BOTH Creators.

God The Holy Spirit:

Job 33:4


“The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the Almighty gives me life.” (ESV, Hebrew-English Old Testament)

“The spirit of God hath made me, And the breath of the Almighty given me life.” (The Holy Scriptures According to the Masoretic Text, A New Translation. The Jewish Publication Society of America. 5677-1917)

“The Spirit of God hath made me, and the breath of the Almighty hath given me life” (Dr A Benisch; Jewish School and Family Bible, Vol. IV)

“The spirit of God formed me; The breath of Shaddai sustains me” (The Jewish Study Bible)

In the Hebrew we have “עָשָׂ֑תְנִי”, which is literally, “she has made me”. Not because the Holy Spirit is “female”, but, for grammatical agreement of gender, with, “רוּח” (Spirit), which is also feminine. It makes it clear, that here reference is not to “God”, but rather to “the Spirit”, Who is the Creator.

made”, from the Hebrew verb, “עֲשׂוֹת”, which is used in Genesis 1

“in the beginning God created (בָּרָא) the heavens and the earth…God made (עֲשׂוֹת) the expanse” (Genesis 1:1, 7)

Note in this verse from Job, that “רוּח” (Spirit) is distinct from “נשׁמה” (breath), which is seen in Genesis 2:7, “And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath (נשׁמה)of life; and man became a living soul”. Job 33:4, is a clear reference to Genesis 2:7, which shows that the Holy Spirit Himself is “the LORD God”.

“The Divine Spirit is that which formed me, and the breath of the Almighty that which teaches me.” (Lancelot Brenton, The Septuagint in Greek and English)

Job 26:13

“By His Spirit He adorned the heavens; His hand pierced the fleeing serpent” (NKJV)

“שִׁפְרָ֑ה”, is in the feminine, singular, literally, “she made beautiful”, because here, like in 33:4, the feminine is for grammatical agreement of gender, with, “רוּח” (Spirit).The Hebrew lexicon by Gesenius reads: “by his (God’s) Spirit the heavens were made brightness,” i.e. splendid, most splendid”

Some versions of the Bible here translate “רוּח”, as “breath”, or “wind”, which are both wrong in this context, as the grammar shows that “רוּח” is Personal, as the Creator. The Jewish Bible here reads:

“By his spirit he hath garnished the heavens ; his hand hath pierced the fleeing serpent” (Dr A Benisch; Jewish School and Family Bible, Vol. IV)

And, the Latin and Syriac, made from the Hebrew, read:

“His spirit has adorned the heavens, and his birthing hand has brought forth the winding serpent” (Latin Vulgate)

“By his spirit he manages the heavens; his hand slew the fleeing serpent” (Syriac Peshetta)

The Creative Word of the Holy Spirit in “the heavens”. Yet we read that the “heavens” are the Work of Yahweh, “And forget Yahweh your maker, that has stretched forth the heavens, and laid the foundations of the earth” (Isaiah 51:13)

In this verse we have the same Hebrew word used in Job 33:4, “עֲשׂוֹת” (made). Both verses from Job are clear that the Holy Spirit also Created the “heavens and the earth”.

Here we have Old Testament evidence for The Holy Trinity in Creation. The “distinction” of the “Persons”, is clear from Isaiah 48:16, where the Sender, Who is Yahweh, Sends another, Who is also Yahweh, and the Holy Spirit.

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Hi, YHWH (יהוה) is the masculine singular, and not plural. ELOHIM (אלהים), is masculine plural
Elohim is only plural grammatically, but the term does not denote a plurality of persons.
YHWH is the only elohim that is a plurality of persons.
All other elohim are singular persons.
Such as:
1 Kings 11 ESV​
(33) because they have forsaken me and worshiped Ashtoreth the goddess [elohim] of the Sidonians, Chemosh the god [elohim] of Moab, and Milcom the god [elohim] of the Ammonites, and they have not walked in my ways, doing what is right in my sight and keeping my statutes and my rules, as David his father did.​

Each of those singular persons are called by the grammatically plural term elohim.

And the dead prophet Samuel (a singular person) is also called by the grammatically plural term elohim.

1 Samuel 28 ESV​
(13) The king said to her, “Do not be afraid. What do you see?” And the woman said to Saul, “I see a god [elohim] coming up out of the earth.”​

And the same in:

Psalms 82 ESV​
(1) A Psalm of Asaph. God [elohim] has taken his place in the divine council; in the midst of the gods [elohim] he holds judgment:​

God = YHWH who is plurality of persons
gods = a council of singular persons

YHWH is the unique, one of a kind, elohim that is a plurality of persons.
All other elohim are singular persons.
 
Greetings ICTHUS,
In the very first verse of the Book of Beginnings, Genesis, we read:
“In the beginning, God created the heavens and the earth”
The Hebrew for “God”, is “אֱלֹהִ֑ים”, which is masculine, plural; and “created”, is “בָּרָ֣א”, which is masculine, singular, and is literally, “He created”.
Some have argued that the plural “אֱלֹהִ֑ים”, is for “plural of majesties”, as a king or queen would say “we”. There is no Biblical evidence to support this, which is used by those who oppose the Bible’s teaching of the Holy Trinity.
I understand "Elohim" in Genesis 1:1 to represent the One God, Yahweh, God the Father, and hence the singular verb, but in some contexts this includes the Angels, and "Elohim" can be understood as the One God, Yahweh, God the Father who delights to share His purpose and work with his Angels. This is seen when God invited the Angels to participate in the creation of man.
In Genesis 1:26-27, we read:
“Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”. So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them”
Here we have “אֱלֹהִ֑ים” as the Speaker, Who says, “נַֽעֲשֶׂ֥ה” (let US make, plural), man, “בְּצַלְמֵ֖נוּ” (in OUR Image, plural), “כִּדְמוּתֵ֑נוּ” (according to OUR Likeness).
Those who reject the Teaching of the Holy Trinity: One God, in Three distinct “Persons”, The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit, Who are completely equal, as Creators, have tried to explain this.
Yes, I believe that Yahweh is inviting the Angels and this is confirmed by David who alludes to and summarises Genesis 1:26-27
Psalm 8:1,4–6 (KJV): 1 O LORD our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens. 4 What is man, that thou art mindful of him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? 5 For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, and hast crowned him with glory and honour. 6 Thou madest him to have dominion over the works of thy hands; thou hast put all things under his feet:
Please note that "the angels" here is the word "Elohim" and in Psalm 8 Yahweh is distinguished from Elohim here, and the word Elohim is the Angels who were participants in the creation of man.

Kind regards
Trevor
 
Hi, I am not sure how this verse, as the other Gospels, can be used to deny the Bible's Teaching on the Holy Trinity?

Jesus is here speaking on what the Pharisees had said in verse 24, "But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, “This man does not cast out demons, except by Beelzebul, the prince of the demons.”. Where they attributed the Work of The Holy Spirit, to the devil, which would make the Spirit, Who is HOLY and Almighty God, "unclean and demonic". This, I believe is the main point here, as we can see from Mark 3.

In 1 Timothy 1:13, Paul says, "though formerly I was a blasphemer, persecutor, and insolent opponent. But I received mercy because I had acted ignorantly in unbelief". Though this was not against the Work of the Holy Spirit, nor saying what the Pharisees had done about Jesus' Miracles.

There are a few passages in the Bible that clearly Teach that God is One Being, though Three distinct Persons, Who are coequal, coeternal, and coessential.
There is another aspect to this. The Holy Spirit is what gives us the power to discern spiritual things. When we reject the Holy Spirit we reject the means of even being aware that we need to repent. So in the end, those who blaspheme the Holy Spirit cut off the branch they were sitting on and will never feel the need to repent and thus never repent and receive salvation.
 
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