Calvinism: No Justification, No Reconciliation, No Judgment

[robert pate]

The purpose of the Gospel is to justify the believer. All that Jesus is, and all that Jesus did was for the believer's justification. In our name and on our behalf, Jesus fulfilled all of the demands of God's Holy Law, Matthew 5:18, Jesus did this for our justification. In our name and on our behalf, Jesus atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. When God accepted Jesus back into heaven, we were accepted in him. God now sees his people as perfect and complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10. Fully justified, sanctified and redeemed. No predestination needed.

To be a recipient of this justification you must believe the Gospel. Most Calvinist don't know or believe the Gospel, all they know is that they have been predestinated, no need for justification. If you were predestinated to be saved before the foundation of the world who needs to be justified?

In the Gospel all of God's people have been reconciled to God by Jesus Christ, "God was in Christ reconciling us and the world unto himself" 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. No one will enter into heaven that has not been justified and reconciled unto God by Jesus Christ. Calvinist do not talk about being justified and reconciled unto God by Jesus Christ, because it says that the whole world has been reconciled unto God. They don't believe that.

Calvinism eliminates the judgment. If you have been predestinated to be saved, then why should anyone be judged? The scripture says, "We shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ" 2 Corinthians 5:10. Does this mean that the predestinated are exempt from the judgment? If God chose some special certain persons to be saved before the foundation of the world, then why would he judge them? If God needed to judge those that he predestinated, then maybe God made a mistake about them. Calvinism disregards much Christian doctrine concerning the Gospel and justification by faith because it refutes it.

 

[robert pate]

The purpose of the Gospel is to justify the believer. All that Jesus is, and all that Jesus did was for the believer's justification. In our name and on our behalf, Jesus fulfilled all of the demands of God's Holy Law, Matthew 5:18, Jesus did this for our justification. In our name and on our behalf, Jesus atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. When God accepted Jesus back into heaven, we were accepted in him. God now sees his people as perfect and complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10. Fully justified, sanctified and redeemed. No predestination needed.

To be a recipient of this justification you must believe the Gospel. Most Calvinist don't know or believe the Gospel, all they know is that they have been predestinated, no need for justification. If you were predestinated to be saved before the foundation of the world who needs to be justified?

In the Gospel all of God's people have been reconciled to God by Jesus Christ, "God was in Christ reconciling us and the world unto himself" 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. No one will enter into heaven that has not been justified and reconciled unto God by Jesus Christ. Calvinist do not talk about being justified and reconciled unto God by Jesus Christ, because it says that the whole world has been reconciled unto God. They don't believe that.

Calvinism eliminates the judgment. If you have been predestinated to be saved, then why should anyone be judged? The scripture says, "We shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ" 2 Corinthians 5:10. Does this mean that the predestinated are exempt from the judgment? If God chose some special certain persons to be saved before the foundation of the world, then why would he judge them? If God needed to judge those that he predestinated, then maybe God made a mistake about them. Calvinism disregards much Christian doctrine concerning the Gospel and justification by faith because it refutes it.

If Jesus has reconciled us and the whole world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19, then who needs to be predestinated? Answer, no one.

The whole world was guilty before God, Romans 3:19. God was in Christ atoning for the sins of the whole world, not just the sins of some, 1 John 2:2.

 

[Mr G Lee]

If Jesus has reconciled us and the whole world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19, then who needs to be predestinated? Answer, no one.

The whole world was guilty before God, Romans 3:19. God was in Christ atoning for the sins of the whole world, not just the sins of some, 1 John 2:2.

The term "whole world" represents not the just the Hebrew or Jewish world . The gospel will go out to the whole world.

The two books written down from the foundation of the world the 6 days God did work, will be opened. Those not written in the Lambs book of life again slain from the foundation they will not rise on the last day under the sun and received a new incorruptible body

 

[Arial]

The purpose of the Gospel is to justify the believer. All that Jesus is, and all that Jesus did was for the believer's justification. In our name and on our behalf, Jesus fulfilled all of the demands of God's Holy Law, Matthew 5:18, Jesus did this for our justification. In our name and on our behalf, Jesus atoned for our sins and the sins of the whole world, 1 John 2:2. When God accepted Jesus back into heaven, we were accepted in him. God now sees his people as perfect and complete in Christ, Colossians 2:10. Fully justified, sanctified and redeemed. No predestination needed.

To be a recipient of this justification you must believe the Gospel. Most Calvinist don't know or believe the Gospel, all they know is that they have been predestinated, no need for justification. If you were predestinated to be saved before the foundation of the world who needs to be justified?

In the Gospel all of God's people have been reconciled to God by Jesus Christ, "God was in Christ reconciling us and the world unto himself" 2 Corinthians 5:18, 19. No one will enter into heaven that has not been justified and reconciled unto God by Jesus Christ. Calvinist do not talk about being justified and reconciled unto God by Jesus Christ, because it says that the whole world has been reconciled unto God. They don't believe that.

Calvinism eliminates the judgment. If you have been predestinated to be saved, then why should anyone be judged? The scripture says, "We shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ" 2 Corinthians 5:10. Does this mean that the predestinated are exempt from the judgment? If God chose some special certain persons to be saved before the foundation of the world, then why would he judge them? If God needed to judge those that he predestinated, then maybe God made a mistake about them. Calvinism disregards much Christian doctrine concerning the Gospel and justification by faith because it refutes it.

The very title of your thread and everything else in your OP is based on blatant lies. I say blatant because we have had many conversations on the subject in which I showed you quotes from Calvin and presented Reformed theology from that view with scripture quotes, scripture implications and interpretations that present it as containing justification and reconciliation. As to judgement, we never discussed that but as the theology agrees with every aspect of the Bible, it also adheres to the judgment of all. Does your free will method of salvation include judgment for those who are saved?

John Calvin Quotes About Justification​

• To have a proper understanding of the gospel, we must recognise that we need to lean entirely upon the Lord Jesus Christ and his mercy alone as our only hope of salvation. ... No one can be justified by the law; justification is through faith alone.
• Justification by faith is the hinge on which all true religion turns.
• No man is excluded from calling upon God, the gate of salvation is set open unto all men: neither is there any other thing which keepeth us back from entering in, save only our own unbelief.

“It was superfluous, even absurd, for Christ to be burdened with a curse unless it was to acquire righteousness for others by paying what they owed.”


“...a man will be justified by faith when, excluded from righteousness of works, he by faith lays hold of the righteousness of Christ, and clothed in it, appears in the sight of God not as a sinner, but as righteous...”
― John Calvin




“This is why Paul upholds the teaching of the gospel in such a forceful way ... Seeing such an example and such a picture of man’s great weakness and fickleness, Paul states that the truth of the gospel must supersede anything that we may devise … he is showing us that we ought to know the substance of the doctrine which is brought to us in the name of God, so that our faith can be fully grounded upon it. Then we will not be tossed about with every wind, nor will we wander about aimlessly, changing our opinions a hundred times a day; we will persist in this doctrine until the end. This, in brief, is what we must remember.”
― John Calvin, Sermons on Galatians

 

[robert pate]

The very title of your thread and everything else in your OP is based on blatant lies. I say blatant because we have had many conversations on the subject in which I showed you quotes from Calvin and presented Reformed theology from that view with scripture quotes, scripture implications and interpretations that present it as containing justification and reconciliation. As to judgement, we never discussed that but as the theology agrees with every aspect of the Bible, it also adheres to the judgment of all. Does your free will method of salvation include judgment for those who are saved?

John Calvin Quotes About Justification​

• To have a proper understanding of the gospel, we must recognise that we need to lean entirely upon the Lord Jesus Christ and his mercy alone as our only hope of salvation. ... No one can be justified by the law; justification is through faith alone.
• Justification by faith is the hinge on which all true religion turns.
• No man is excluded from calling upon God, the gate of salvation is set open unto all men: neither is there any other thing which keepeth us back from entering in, save only our own unbelief.

“It was superfluous, even absurd, for Christ to be burdened with a curse unless it was to acquire righteousness for others by paying what they owed.”


“...a man will be justified by faith when, excluded from righteousness of works, he by faith lays hold of the righteousness of Christ, and clothed in it, appears in the sight of God not as a sinner, but as righteous...”
― John Calvin




“This is why Paul upholds the teaching of the gospel in such a forceful way ... Seeing such an example and such a picture of man’s great weakness and fickleness, Paul states that the truth of the gospel must supersede anything that we may devise … he is showing us that we ought to know the substance of the doctrine which is brought to us in the name of God, so that our faith can be fully grounded upon it. Then we will not be tossed about with every wind, nor will we wander about aimlessly, changing our opinions a hundred times a day; we will persist in this doctrine until the end. This, in brief, is what we must remember.”
― John Calvin, Sermons on Galatians

All that John Calvin says goes down the toilet when he says, "God predestinates some special certain persons to salvation and damns the rest to hell". Everything after that statement is pure B.S. and is either a smoke screen to cover up his unthinkable doctrine or is just a lie.

 

[Arial]

All that John Calvin says goes down the toilet when he says, "God predestinates some special certain persons to salvation and damns the rest to hell". Everything after that statement is pure B.S. and is either a smoke screen to cover up his unthinkable doctrine or is just a lie.

Calvin doesn't say "God predestines some special certain persons." That is a quote from you. Do you ever wonder why it is that in order to come against Calvinism you have to make stuff up about it? And keep making it up even after you have been informed that is what you are doing?

 

[robert pate]

Calvin doesn't say "God predestines some special certain persons." That is a quote from you. Do you ever wonder why it is that in order to come against Calvinism you have to make stuff up about it? And keep making it up even after you have been informed that is what you are doing?

Not making stuff up.

Canons of Dort. FIRST HEAD: ARTICLE #10. "God was pleased out of the common mass of sinners to adopt SOME CERTAIN PERSONS as a peculiar people to himself".

The rest were damned to hell. Time you stopped trying to cover up what Calvinism is about and face the truth.

 

[Arial]

Not making stuff up.

Canons of Dort. FIRST HEAD: ARTICLE #10. "God was pleased out of the common mass of sinners to adopt SOME CERTAIN PERSONS as a peculiar people to himself".

The rest were damned to hell. Time you stopped trying to cover up what Calvinism is about and face the truth.

That doesn't say "some special certain persons." When you add that you are editing in order to make it sound like something it is not. But then you interpret the Bible the same way.

Everyone is damned to hell. The only ones that get God's justice are those who go to hell. Time you stopped trying to cover up what free will is all about and face the truth about yourself.

 

[robert pate]

That doesn't say "some special certain persons." When you add that you are editing in order to make it sound like something it is not. But then you interpret the Bible the same way.

Everyone is damned to hell. The only ones that get God's justice are those who go to hell. Time you stopped trying to cover up what free will is all about and face the truth about yourself.

If you are one of those "certain persons" you are special.

The only ones that will be damned to hell are those that have rejected Christ and his Gospel. The truth about myself is that I am a sinner saved by grace through faith, Ephesians 2:8. You can't say the same.

 

[Arial]

If you are one of those "certain persons" you are special.

The only ones that will be damned to hell are those that have rejected Christ and his Gospel. The truth about myself is that I am a sinner saved by grace through faith, Ephesians 2:8. You can't say the same.

But God did not choose me because I am special. It was simply the good pleasure of His will to do so. You obviously insist that He didn't choose you, but that you got there on your own. Do you not know that that shows an unwillingness to trust Him over yourself? And what is faith all about, but trusting God in all things?

We were born destined for hell, born in Adam. Some get justice, some get mercy, by virtue of the substitutionary , death of Christ, and being joined to Him by grace through faith.

Listen to me say it! I AM SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH!!

 

[robert pate]

But God did not choose me because I am special. It was simply the good pleasure of His will to do so. You obviously insist that He didn't choose you, but that you got there on your own. Do you not know that that shows an unwillingness to trust Him over yourself? And what is faith all about, but trusting God in all things?

We were born destined for hell, born in Adam. Some get justice, some get mercy, by virtue of the substitutionary , death of Christ, and being joined to Him by grace through faith.

Listen to me say it! I AM SAVED BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH!!

Everyone has been provided with mercy and grace by the doing and the dying of Jesus, Hebrews 2:9.

If you were saved by grace through faith, you would not need Calvinism. You have perverted your faith with Calvinism.

 

[Arial]

All that John Calvin says goes down the toilet when he says, "God predestinates some special certain persons to salvation and damns the rest to hell". Everything after that statement is pure B.S. and is either a smoke screen to cover up his unthinkable doctrine or is just a lie

This is what you first said that I denied.

Canons of Dort. FIRST HEAD: ARTICLE #10. "God was pleased out of the common mass of sinners to adopt SOME CERTAIN PERSONS as a peculiar people to himself".

Yes, cannons of Dort say that. The Bible says that: Eph 1:5, so I believe it. It is further solidified in many verses, but I will give a few.
Eph 1:11; Romans 11:5-6; Romans 9:15-16; Romans 8:33; Romans 8:28-30; 2 Thess 2:13; 1 Peter 1:2; Psalm 65:4;