Waiting on Him
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The indoctrinated mind can’t see this fire as a cleansing agent. Similar to holding the blade over the fire to cleanse it prior to making an incision.
The Case Against Eternal Security - NOSAS
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Hillsage
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I don't see Paul loosing everything, and the person he is comparatively relating to, isn't said to have lost everything either IMO. In the context I believe the one "claiming to be a wise master builder, would be Paul. But I don't see where he claims that it took a "life long time", just on the "foundation"????" And, In the context , I see where the foundation is good for both, because their foundation is Jesus Christ. Both for Paul AND whoever he is comparing/judging buildings with.
1CO 3:10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it.
11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
But as for what each has built on the same foundation seems to be a point IMO.
1CO 3:12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw,
13 each one's work will become manifest; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one's work, of what sort it is.
I think that if we think we have something we don't, then the devil, can attack us in that area and reveal with his "firey darts" that we have more "WORK" to do in that area.
14 If anyone's work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward.
15 If anyone's work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?
So IMO the salvation of our spirit is a OSAS FOUNDATIONAL salvation and it has nothing to do with our WORK, but His. Then we progress to 'working out the salvation of our souls with fear and trembling. That is a lifelong process, and we can gain or lose that alvation depending upon whether we are walking forward, or backsliding. I believe that the FIRST salvation, of our spirit, gets us INTO heaven. But the SECOND salvation of our soul determines our REWARDS IN heaven.
That's how I unpack this part of things.
Waiting on Him
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Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
— Philippians 3:8
Are you saying Paul lied?
Could Paul be referring to Saul the Pharisee?
it was Saul that was crucified. I only have a limited amount of information about the life of Saul the waister of the Church of Christ.
The resurrected Paul was the one building on the foundation of Christ. Correct?
agreed!
Hillsage
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No, not at all. I think in this verse you shared, Paul is referring to all the Jewish 'works' he did under the law. 'Works' which never brought him to his Damascus Road 'born again experience'. That was when he had his foundational laid concerning the initial knowledge of Christ.
I'm not familiar with Saul the Pharisee, so can't really comment on that.
SteVen
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Hillsage
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Wow, that one went right past me. I wasn't even thinking of Saul who became Paul. But I still think Philippians 3 confirms that "all things" Paul considered as loss/dung, had to do with being 3:6 "blameless" as pertaining to the law. All the while, he never had that more precious foundation of the knowledge of Christ.
Thanks for the 'wake up stupid' love tap.
Waiting on Him
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Saul built with wood hay and stubble on an inferior foundation. Paul built on the Rock.
Paul became that man Christ in the body which is the objective. Upon his resurrection with Christ he began to build. What he’d built prior was burned up.
Paul became that man Christ in the body which is the objective. Upon his resurrection with Christ he began to build. What he’d built prior was burned up.
Did Jesus become that man Christ in the body?
How about you or me? Isn't that what Christian is supposed to mean? Christ-in
Waiting on Him
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In my opinion, he is the body as all the members function under his spirit.
As far as I can tell I’ve not matured to that level. It should be one body of collective members under one spirit .. Each in his own order.
The differentiation I am pointing at is that Jesus was a man, like us. The spirit within him that he was anointed with is what we call the Christ-- the anointing.
Jesus tells us that this same spirit that was in him, is in us.
Waiting on Him
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Paul returned to Damascus when it pleased God to separate him from his mothers womb.
This is In my opinion Paul’s spiritual resurrection birth.
But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother’s womb, and called me by his grace, To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood: Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus. Then after three years I went up to Jerusalem to see Peter, and abode with him fifteen days.
— Galatians 1:15-18
But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all. For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that not; break forth and cry, thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband. Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
— Galatians 4:26-28
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Amen!
Yes, the spirit of the Father. Christ being anointed. With me it seems to be a maturity type happening.