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The Case Against Eternal Security - NOSAS

Wrangler said:
Jesus said to remain in him. He said this because we have the option not to remain in him.

Commands are only given when violating them is a possibility. No one commands you to get older, tired, hungry, etc. because these cannot be helped.

There are many more Scriptures that support our capacity to fall out of God's good grace.
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Now that it's come to my attention, I want to thank you for taking this approach and starting your own thread to espouse your understanding rather than just standing as a critic of someone else's. I think this is good.

And I think you do make a good point about the necessity to remain..... as well as the potential to fall away.

But I understand it differently-- one of these days I'll get around to saying why.... (in my own thread) ;)
 
Mr E said:
Honestly-- I think this is the best approach.

Rather than rail against something you don't believe-- go start a topic centered on what you do believe.

I'm going to applaud @Wrangler for this, since I'm the one calling balls and strikes here.
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Thank you.

@SteVen, I did not want to be a naysayer in the other thread. And I find it odd in other forums for anyone to devote themselves to oppose another’s belief. Please hear me. I’m not opposed to stating one’s case or have a conversation, as threads tend to wander with post count.

I’m talking about committing yourself to be a hijacker. For instance, a pro-7th Day Adventist thread does not have to be the obsession for anyone opposed.

Frankly, from a debate perspective, I do believe it is fundamentally different to make a rebuttal statement (response) from the opening statement, which sets the thread topic. I’ve even tried to limit posts to only aid in building up support for a doctrine. Others felt compelled to ignore the OP scope and tear it down.

At work, there was an issue of steel v aluminum. One can merely state the pros of each rather than delve into the cons of each. What say you?
 
SteVen said:
This is why I disagree with eternal conscious torment. (hell)
What is the goal? Would anyone be corrected or restored by that?
No. Incinerating humans for all eternity has no positive purpose.
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I completely agree!
SteVen said:
Even annihilation fails to serve a good purpose.
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Now here, I disagree. Sure there’s a purpose. Wicked people’s actions hurt the innocent. The incorrigibly wicked don’t have to be tormented, but they do need to be gone.

Like Satan.

Who’s incorrigible? God will make that choice. He’s the perfect judge.
 
SteVen said:
How can you say there are not two sides?
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Incomplete understanding in how they are united. :censored:

In thread after thread, your basic assertion is that Scripture contradicts itself. OTOH, this is true from a superficial perspective. OTOH, this is NOT true once one obtains a full understanding of context and proper orientation.
 
SteVen said:
How can you say there are not two sides?
Wrangler said:
Incomplete understanding in how they are united. :censored:
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I'm not claiming they are united. They are in conflict.
But I'm okay with that.

Wrangler said:
In thread after thread, your basic assertion is that Scripture contradicts itself. OTOH, this is true from a superficial perspective. OTOH, this is NOT true once one obtains a full understanding of context and proper orientation.
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Can you harmonize the scriptures I quoted on my topic in support of eternal security with your verses on eternal insecurity? (NOSAS)

I'm guessing you would prefer to say that you aright and I am wrong. Par for the course.

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SteVen said:
Can you harmonize the scriptures I quoted on my topic in support of eternal security with your verses on eternal insecurity?
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See post #6 for the general harmonization approach.
SteVen said:
I'm guessing you would prefer to say that you aright and I am wrong. Par for the course.
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Sad. Being snarky does not bring glory to God.

I’ve never said in any of the 1,000’s of posts made in multiple forums straight out ‘I’m right and your wrong.’
 
SteVen said:
Even annihilation fails to serve a good purpose.
The_H_C said:
Now here, I disagree. Sure there’s a purpose. Wicked people’s actions hurt the innocent. The incorrigibly wicked don’t have to be tormented, but they do need to be gone.

Like Satan.

Who’s incorrigible? God will make that choice. He’s the perfect judge.
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What if God could reconcile ALL of creation? (physical and spiritual)
Would that not be an amazing triumph of grace?

I believe revenge is a sin. Something God would not do.

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