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Defining the godhead - an open discussion on Unitarianism, Binitarianism and Trinitarianism

Isaiah 61 (REV)
1The spirit of the Lord Yahweh is upon me; because Yahweh has anointed me to preach good news to the humble. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and release to those who are bound,
2to proclaim the year of Yahweh’s favor and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all who mourn;
3and to provide for those who mourn in Zion by giving them a garland for ashes, the oil of joy for mourning, the garment of praise for the spirit of heaviness, so that they may be called trees of righteousness, the planting of Yahweh, so that he may be glorified.
4They will rebuild the old ruins, they will raise up the former desolations, and they will repair the ruined cities, the desolations of many generations.
5Strangers will stand and feed your flocks, and foreigners will be your plowmen and your vinedressers.
6But you will be named the priests of Yahweh; men will call you the ministers of our God: you will eat the wealth of the nations, and you will bo
7Instead of your shame you will have a double portion, and instead of dishonor they will shout for joy over their portion; therefore they will possess a double portion in their land. Everlasting joy will be theirs.
8“For I, Yahweh, love justice, I hate robbery with iniquity; and I will give them their recompense in truth, and I will make an everlasting covenant with them.
9Their seed will be known among the nations, and their offspring among the peoples; all who see them will acknowledge them, that they are the seed that Yahweh has blessed.”
10I will greatly rejoice in Yahweh; my soul will be joyful in my God, for he has clothed me with the garments of salvation, he has covered me with the cloak of righteousness as a groom decks himself with a garland and as a bride adorns herself with her jewels.
11For as the earth brings forth its bud and as the garden causes the things that are sown in it to spring forth, so the Lord Yahweh will cause righteousness and praise to spring forth before all the nations.
 
RedFan said:
I was focusing on the name as spoken, not as written. The next sentence says "It is unclear what the original pronunciation of the word was, due to the longstanding Jewish prohibition on speaking God’s name aloud." You and I would give an Anglisized pronunciation to YHWH ("Yah" -- rhymes with "la" -- and "weh" -- rhymes with "say") -- but it's just a guess. The original Hebrew had no vowels. and the ban on speaking it yielded the present uncertainty over what vowel sounds are the right ones to match what Moses overheard. The Masoretes added vowel sounds borrowed from Adonai (probably to remind the reader not to try to speak the actual name).
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Fantastic post.
Makes me wonder about the options from which Yahweh was chosen. ???

YHWH
YaHaWaH
YeHeWeH
YiHiWiH
YoHoWoH
YuHuWuH
YaHeWaH
YaHiWaH
YaHoWaH
YaHuWaH
YeHaWaH
YeHeWaH
YeHiWaH
YeHoWaH
YeHuWaH
YiHaWaH
This could go on for a while. You get the idea. - LOL
YHWH
YHWH
YHWH
YHWH
YHWH
YHWH
YHWH
YHWH
YHWH

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SteVen said:
Thank you.

It seems that a lot of Christians take disagreement as a personal attack.
So, that's why they react like a cornered animal. Snapping and clawing.
Very unfortunate.

I address a lot of these issues with topics that become very triggering.
But I think the eyes of some have been opened to a better way.

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Some posters seem driven to have the last word, as if their failure to respond to a comment they disagree with would be taken as a concession. Occasionally when I have not responded to the latest post on a topic (because the points on both sides have already been thoroughly made, or because the poster's personal insults just turned me off), what often comes back is an accusation that my silence means I can't counter the poster's argument!
 
RedFan said:
Some posters seem driven to have the last word, as if their failure to respond to a comment they disagree with would be taken as a concession. Occasionally when I have not responded to the latest post on a topic (because the points on both sides have already been thoroughly made, or because the poster's personal insults just turned me off), what often comes back is an accusation that my silence means I can't counter the poster's argument!
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On occasion I have told the other that I am done but will give them the last word.
Then I need to hold to my promise.

Reader ratings are good indication of whether anyone is getting anything out of the interchange.

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RedFan said:
Some posters seem driven to have the last word, as if their failure to respond to a comment they disagree with would be taken as a concession. Occasionally when I have not responded to the latest post on a topic (because the points on both sides have already been thoroughly made, or because the poster's personal insults just turned me off), what often comes back is an accusation that my silence means I can't counter the poster's argument!
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I'm very tolerant of everything except intolerance! I can't stand that. :ROFLMAO:

It's funny because it's true. I take exception when someone insists that:

Their view is the only view, or the only correct and acceptable view.
That someone else's view is inherently evil, because it's different, or God forbid- unorthodox.
That their view is the only proper Biblical understanding.
That God is going to punish people who stray away from the truth (according to their understanding of it).
That their doctrine can't or shouldn't be challenged.
That your God isn't the true God, because your view of Him is different than their ideas.

I've said often that I don't care what people believe. Faith is personal and so are beliefs-- the two are hand in glove. I do care about people, but like God does, or like a Father does-- I leave it up to the individual to chart their own course as they might. No one is force-fed. On the flip side-- I don't let anyone feed me with a sling shot either. Particularly when it comes to orthodoxy-- we've all heard it a million times. We know the position, we don't need someone stomping their feet and insisting we must agree.

So when someone steps outside of orthodoxy and says for example-- that they don't believe in universal and unending torment for 'unbelievers' I think that's worthy of a conversation. Or if they say that the Trinity doesn't make sense--- okay.... why not?

Do we need the orthodox opinion of eternal burning in hell rammed down our throats over and over in order to discuss the idea that maybe we've got the wrong idea?

Do we need to ban the topic of the Trinity? Or the name of Yahweh? -just because folks are determined to demand that the orthodox view is never strayed from?

I say-- with respect to the topic of hell--- to hell with 'em.
With respect to the Trinity-- we'll talk about it here.... all for one, one for all.
With respect to Yahweh-- don't tell me a hundred times what I've heard a thousand times.

Discussion boards are for discussions. Only behavior is monitored. In a perfect world (Forum) folks would go start their own threads to state their own beliefs and if someone disagreed, they would do so politely-- then go start their own thread if they see things differently. There would be no arguing. Ah... but instead-- we have this place, and others like it... yet none exactly like it.

Find your fit.
 
Mr E said:
That someone else's view is inherently evil, because it's different, or God forbid- unorthodox.
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This reminded me that the last thing I did on the Christianity Boards was to repost my
Was Jesus orthodox? (or Baptist) topic. That may have done me in.

Someone could check to see if the topic was removed. I can't view anything there.
Except my unread posts which are still piling up. - LOL

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Mr E said:
I'm very tolerant of everything except intolerance! I can't stand that. :ROFLMAO:

It's funny because it's true. I take exception when someone insists that:

Their view is the only view, or the only correct and acceptable view.
That someone else's view is inherently evil, because it's different, or God forbid- unorthodox.
That their view is the only proper Biblical understanding.
That God is going to punish people who stray away from the truth (according to their understanding of it).
That their doctrine can't or shouldn't be challenged.
That your God isn't the true God, because your view of Him is different than their ideas.
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Wow!
That's a great list. Spot on. (as my UK friends would say) - LOL

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SteVen said:
This reminded me that the last thing I did on the Christianity Boards was to repost my
Was Jesus orthodox? (or Baptist) topic. That may have done me in.

Someone could check to see if the topic was removed. I can't view anything there.
Except my unread posts which are still piling up. - LOL

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The topic is still there and open.... that doesn't seem to be the offending post.

I hate the way they just drop people on their heads without explanation. When I got booted from Christian Forums there was one Mod who pm'd me with an Inquisition demanding to know my beliefs. I declined to answer his questions-- and poof. I was gone.
 
SteVen said:
This reminded me that the last thing I did on the Christianity Boards was to repost my
Was Jesus orthodox? (or Baptist) topic. That may have done me in.
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Did you get banned from CyB? I thought you were a prolific thread starter, contributing more than most.
 
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