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Defining the godhead - an open discussion on Unitarianism, Binitarianism and Trinitarianism

SteVen said:
Yes.
If someone has biblical support for their doctrinal position, then it is a biblical doctrine. IMHO
I don't agree with your position, but I do consider it to be biblical. (you have biblical support)
So, both positions are biblical but in conflict.

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Hmmm.

Seems you are setting yourself to accept contradictions.

A superficial analysis can make it appear the Bible contradicts, such as commands to kill and not kill.

What’s your take on the importance of reconciling Scripture to itself and the importance of context?
 
Wrangler said:
Seems you are setting yourself to accept contradictions.
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Many are uncomfortable with this.
But my unity in diversity stance allows for a range of doctrinal opinions.

Wrangler said:
What’s your take on the importance of reconciling Scripture to itself and the importance of context?
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In many cases, that is the best strategy. Scripture explains scripture and context is VERY important.
However, this doesn't work in every case. And as I say quite often, there is no consensus on what the Bible means.

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SteVen said:
Many are uncomfortable with this.
But my unity in diversity stance allows for a range of doctrinal opinions.
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It is not a question of comfort but epistemology.

There is no problem with unity in diversity, per se, provided the diversity does not contradict. If your goal is to go West of our location and mine is to go East, unity becomes impossible. From a doctrinal perspective, contradictions do not exist in reality. Either A is correct or it is not and so on.
 
Wrangler said:
There is no problem with unity in diversity, per se, provided the diversity does not contradict.
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Read what you wrote.
Diversity will ALWAYS be in conflict.

Wrangler said:
If your goal is to go West of our location and mine is to go East, unity becomes impossible.
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Not unless I agree to RESPECT what you believe and you agree to RESPECT what I believe.

Wrangler said:
From a doctrinal perspective, contradictions do not exist in reality. Either A is correct or it is not and so on.
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On the contrary.
Pick a topic:
- OSAS
- Works or Grace
- Baptism method
- The final judgement
- unitarianism, binarianism, and trinitarianism
- Etc...

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Wrangler said:
It is not a question of comfort but epistemology.

There is no problem with unity in diversity, per se, provided the diversity does not contradict. If your goal is to go West of our location and mine is to go East, unity becomes impossible. From a doctrinal perspective, contradictions do not exist in reality. Either A is correct or it is not and so on.
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Speaking only for myself, I am tolerant of positions diametrically opposed to my own. The unity that I value in the face of such diversity (of opinion) is (1) a common adherence to principles of respectfulness and (2) a willingness to agree on as many points as we can, even if disagreements remain over what each of us would call fundamental.
 
RedFan said:
Speaking only for myself, I am tolerant of positions diametrically opposed to my own. The unity that I value in the face of such diversity (of opinion) is (1) a common adherence to principles of respectfulness and (2) a willingness to agree on as many points as we can, even if disagreements remain over what each of us would call fundamental.
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Well said, thanks!

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RedFan said:
Speaking only for myself, I am tolerant of positions diametrically opposed to my own. The unity that I value in the face of such diversity (of opinion) is (1) a common adherence to principles of respectfulness and (2) a willingness to agree on as many points as we can, even if disagreements remain over what each of us would call fundamental.
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You know, you’re right.

On this or any forum, where we just discuss & exchange ideas, without really knowing each other — being kind and respectful can be productive.

I see that in your responses, too. Good for you.

I’d suspect you have a lot of friends, too.
Do you?

@SteVen , you seem pretty much similar.
 
RedFan said:
www.myjewishlearning.com

What Is The Tetragrammaton? | My Jewish Learning

Tetragrammaton. The Names of God. Speaking About God. About Jewish God. Jewish God. Jewish Conceptions of the Devine. Jewish Ideas and Beliefs.
www.myjewishlearning.com www.myjewishlearning.com
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Nothing in your link supports the idea that YHWH is not the actual name of God. From the article

The Tetragrammaton, referred to in rabbinic literature as HaShem (The Name) or Shem Hameforash (The Special Name), is the word used to refer to the four-letter word, yud-hey-vav-hey (יהוה), that is the name for God used in the Hebrew Bible.

The name, which some people pronounce as Yahweh and others (mostly Christians) as Jehovah, appears 5,410 times in the Bible (1,419 of those in the Torah).
 
Wrangler said:
Nothing in your link supports the idea that YHWH is not the actual name of God. From the article

The Tetragrammaton, referred to in rabbinic literature as HaShem (The Name) or Shem Hameforash (The Special Name), is the word used to refer to the four-letter word, yud-hey-vav-hey (יהוה), that is the name for God used in the Hebrew Bible.

The name, which some people pronounce as Yahweh and others (mostly Christians) as Jehovah, appears 5,410 times in the Bible (1,419 of those in the Torah).
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I was focusing on the name as spoken, not as written. The next sentence says "It is unclear what the original pronunciation of the word was, due to the longstanding Jewish prohibition on speaking God’s name aloud." You and I would give an Anglisized pronunciation to YHWH ("Yah" -- rhymes with "la" -- and "weh" -- rhymes with "say") -- but it's just a guess. The original Hebrew had no vowels. and the ban on speaking it yielded the present uncertainty over what vowel sounds are the right ones to match what Moses overheard. The Masoretes added vowel sounds borrowed from Adonai (probably to remind the reader not to try to speak the actual name).
 
The_H_C said:
@SteVen , you seem pretty much similar.
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Thank you.

It seems that a lot of Christians take disagreement as a personal attack.
So, that's why they react like a cornered animal. Snapping and clawing.
Very unfortunate.

I address a lot of these issues with topics that become very triggering.
But I think the eyes of some have been opened to a better way.

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