Mattathias
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They certainly do. In their opinion, you’ve believed lies about him.
Embracing Doctrinal Diversity - Unity in diversity
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They certainly do. In their opinion, you’ve believed lies about him.
Mattathias
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When other religions were introduced earlier in the thread without objection, I assumed that you were fine with broadening the discussion to include other religions. That now looks like a bad assumption on my part. Sorry about that. I’ll confine my comments going forward in the thread to Christianity.
SteVen
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SteVen said:
It's about being tolerant of other Christians with differing beliefs from your own. (within reason)
Example: Myself and another disagree about OSAS. Okay...
Do I respect the other believer's opinion on this subject? (and continue to discuss it)
Or, do I blast them for being WRONG! (according to my opinion)
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It's about being tolerant of other Christians with differing beliefs from your own. (within reason)
Good question, thanks.
Example: Myself and another disagree about OSAS. Okay...
Do I respect the other believer's opinion on this subject? (and continue to discuss it)
Or, do I blast them for being WRONG! (according to my opinion)
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SteVen
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No worries.
I can see now that it wasn't clear. Both in the OP and in the following discussion. Thanks.
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Mattathias
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What exactly does respect entail? Be respectful of people (treat others as you would have them treat you) not of doctrines.
I don’t advise “blasting” anyone. I recommend and practice telling people what I believe and why I believe it. I ask them to do the same in return.
Mattathias
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A. Doctrine. 10 occurrences in the NT.
“And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ. As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming; but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ, from which the whole body, being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love.”
(Ephesians 11-16)
“In pointing out these things to the brethren, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, constantly nourished on the words of the faith and of the sound doctrine which you have been following.”
(1 Timothy 4:6)
“All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against.”
(1 Timothy 6:1)
“If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness, he is conceited and understands nothing; but has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions, and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain.”
(1Timothy 6:3)
“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate tofor themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths. But you, be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.”
(2 Timothy 4:3-5)
“For the overseer must be above reproach as God’s steward, not self-willed, not quick tempered, not addicted to wine, not pugnacious, not fond of sordid gain, but hospitable, loving what is good, sensible, just, devout, self-controlled, holding fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, so that he will be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict.”
(Titus 1:7-9)
“But as for you, speak the things which are fitting for sound doctrine.”
(Titus 2:1)
“Likewise urge the young men to be sensible; in all things show yourself to be an example of good deeds, with purity in doctrine, dignified, sound in speech which is beyond reproach, so that the opponent will be put to shame, having nothing bad to say about us.”
(Titus 2:7)
“Urge bondslaves to be subject to their own masters in everything, to be well-pleasing, not argumentative, not pilfering, but showing all good faith so that they will adorn the doctrine of God our Savior in every respect.”
(Titus 2:9-10)
B. Doctrines. 4 occurrences in the NT.
“BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.”
(Matthew 15:9)
“BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.”
(Mark 7:7)
“As I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, remain on at Ephesus so that you may instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines, nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith.”
(1 Timothy 1:3-4)
“But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.”
(1 Timothy 4:1-3)
The New Testament isn’t weak or wishy-washy on the subject of the critical importance of right doctrine.
“And He gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ; until we all attain to the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a mature man, to the measure of the stature which belongs to the fullness of Christ. As a result, we are no longer to be children, tossed here and there by waves and carried about by every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, by craftiness in deceitful scheming; but speaking the truth in love, we are to grow up in all aspects into Him who is the head, even Christ, from which the whole body, being fitted and held together by what every joint supplies, according to the proper working of each individual part, causes the growth of the body for the building up of itself in love.”
(Ephesians 11-16)
“In pointing out these things to the brethren, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, constantly nourished on the words of the faith and of the sound doctrine which you have been following.”
(1 Timothy 4:6)
“All who are under the yoke as slaves are to regard their own masters as worthy of all honor so that the name of God and our doctrine will not be spoken against.”
(1 Timothy 6:1)
“If anyone advocates a different doctrine and does not agree with sound words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, and with the doctrine conforming to godliness, he is conceited and understands nothing; but has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions, and constant friction between men of depraved mind and deprived of the truth, who suppose that godliness is a means of gain.”
(1Timothy 6:3)
“For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate tofor themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths. But you, be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.”
(2 Timothy 4:3-5)
“For the overseer must be above reproach as God’s steward, not self-willed, not quick tempered, not addicted to wine, not pugnacious, not fond of sordid gain, but hospitable, loving what is good, sensible, just, devout, self-controlled, holding fast the faithful word which is in accordance with the teaching, so that he will be able both to exhort in sound doctrine and to refute those who contradict.”
(Titus 1:7-9)
“But as for you, speak the things which are fitting for sound doctrine.”
(Titus 2:1)
“Likewise urge the young men to be sensible; in all things show yourself to be an example of good deeds, with purity in doctrine, dignified, sound in speech which is beyond reproach, so that the opponent will be put to shame, having nothing bad to say about us.”
(Titus 2:7)
“Urge bondslaves to be subject to their own masters in everything, to be well-pleasing, not argumentative, not pilfering, but showing all good faith so that they will adorn the doctrine of God our Savior in every respect.”
(Titus 2:9-10)
B. Doctrines. 4 occurrences in the NT.
“BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.”
(Matthew 15:9)
“BUT IN VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME, TEACHING AS DOCTRINES THE PRECEPTS OF MEN.”
(Mark 7:7)
“As I urged you upon my departure for Macedonia, remain on at Ephesus so that you may instruct certain men not to teach strange doctrines, nor to pay attention to myths and endless genealogies, which give rise to mere speculation rather than furthering the administration of God which is by faith.”
(1 Timothy 1:3-4)
“But the Spirit explicitly says that in later times some will fall away from the faith, paying attention to deceitful spirits and doctrines of demons, by means of the hypocrisy of liars seared in their own conscience as with a branding iron, men who forbid marriage and advocate abstaining from foods which God has created to be gratefully shared in by those who believe and know the truth.”
(1 Timothy 4:1-3)
The New Testament isn’t weak or wishy-washy on the subject of the critical importance of right doctrine.
Mattathias
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The editing time limit has expired. I just noticed that the first passage of scripture quoted in Section A in post #18 contains only a partial reference. The complete reference is Ephesian 4:11-16.
Respect doctrinal diversity -> contra the position taken in the New Testament.
Respect doctrinal diversity -> contra the position taken in the New Testament.
SteVen
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Mattathias
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Wolves. Acts 20:29.
SteVen
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How do you know that you got it right and that everyone else it wrong?
Is your understanding infallible?
Is there really no room for a range of doctrinal opinions?
I mentioned OSAS earlier. That's a good example. IMHO
Both sides of the doctrine of eternal security can be argued from scripture.
I seem to remember that you take a position against OSAS. (Once Saved Always Saved)
My position: (in favor of OSAS/eternal security)
We cannot by an act of our own will undo what only God could do in the first place.
Even in the case of Reprobation it is God's choice not ours.
And the purpose of the Good Shepherd is to carry the lost sheep back to the fold.
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SteVen
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Mattathias
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Let’s go back to the beginning: Who is God? How can a person know if he or she believes in the God of the Bible?