Unfortunately he did not properly deal with the subject as yet, and states that they will be considering the subject next week. He did indicate that his view is that the Antichrist will be of Islamic origin (refer his summary of the Antichrist clip @ 27:00 mins). I will briefly state my position, I consider that Russia will be the King of the North of Ezekiel 38 and Daniel 11:40-45. I consider that Russia will have to take Istanbul to assume this position and hold it for a considerable time before the events of Ezekiel 38. I consider that this will establish the Eastern portion of the renewed Roman Empire, mainly military. I reject the concept that the Antichrist will be of Islamic origin. I believe the Antichrist is Roman Catholic and the Papacy, situated in the Western portion of the renewed Roman Empire, mainly religious. Christ will overcome firstly the military at the Battle of Armageddon and later the religious Antichrist over a longer period of time Daniel 7 and Revelation 17.As Russia and Vladimir Putin invade Ukraine, we take a look as many believers are saying that this is exactly what Ezekiel 38 and 39 speaks about regarding Gog and Magog. We also will take a look at who the Bible describes as the antichrist according to the scriptures.
We had our Seminar/Lecture last night, and the subject was "Armageddon, God's war to bring 1000 years of peace". A few teething problems at first with our "Picture in Picture" as this is the first time that we used this equipment where the slides go straight into you-tube, rather than the camera viewing the projection on the screen. This presents the view that Christadelphians have claimed since 1850, that the Gog, the Prince of Rosh, the King of the North of Ezekiel 38:1-2 and Daniel 11:40-45 is Russia. We consider that this is the military Eastern Roman Empire, while the Antichrist is the religious Western Roman Empire, the Papacy. It will be interesting to compare what Chad Davidson says in his second video and if he answers some of the concepts presented in the Seminar shown below.As Russia and Vladimir Putin invade Ukraine, we take a look as many believers are saying that this is exactly what Ezekiel 38 and 39 speaks about regarding Gog and Magog. We also will take a look at who the Bible describes as the antichrist according to the scriptures.
The following video was given last night by one of our senior expositors. This is on the same subject as my previous post, but given one year later, but gives the same perspective on Ezekiel 38 that Russia is the King of the North who will eventually invade the Middle East. This is contrary to the view presented in the video in the OP.As Russia and Vladimir Putin invade Ukraine, we take a look as many believers are saying that this is exactly what Ezekiel 38 and 39 speaks about regarding Gog and Magog. We also will take a look at who the Bible describes as the antichrist according to the scriptures.
True dat!The first step in figuring this all out is to determine which direction is north
Sissy, have you heard about Heiser's health issues? He's not doing well. He posted recently on FB about it. Apparently, barring a miracle, he's near the end of life.True dat!
"North" not only can refer to earthly geography but can also denote the cosmic spiritual realm.
A few examples of "North" referring to the cosmic spiritual realm:
Ezekiel's vision of the heavenly throne:Ezekiel 1:4 ESV(4) As I looked, behold, a stormy wind came out of the north, and a great cloud, with brightness around it, and fire flashing forth continually, and in the midst of the fire, as it were gleaming metal.God creating the North:Job 26:7 ESV(7) He [God] stretches out the north over the void and hangs the earth on nothing.God in the North:Job 37:22 ESV(22) Out of the north comes golden splendor; God is clothed with awesome majesty.Leviticus 1:11 KJV(11) And he shall kill it on the side of the altar northward before the LORD: and the priests, Aaron's sons, shall sprinkle his blood round about upon the altar.Psalms 48:1-2 KJV(1) A Song and Psalm for the sons of Korah. Great is the LORD, and greatly to be praised in the city of our God, in the mountain of his holiness.(2) Beautiful for situation, the joy of the whole earth, is mount Zion, on the sides of the north, the city of the great King.Israel's exaltation comes from the North:Psalms 75:6-7 KJV(6) For promotion cometh neither from the east, nor from the west, nor from the south. [that only leaves the North](7) But God is the judge: he putteth down one, and setteth up another.Satan want to sit as the Most High in the North:Isaiah 14:12-14 KJV(12) How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!(13) For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:(14) I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
That's sad.Sissy, have you heard about Heiser's health issues? He's not doing well. He posted recently on FB about it. Apparently, barring a miracle, he's near the end of life.
View attachment 2085That's sad.
I heard he was battling cancer and his chemo treatments made him very weak.
Other than that I haven't heard any updates.
The first step in figuring this all out is to determine which direction is north and which direction is south.
Ezekiel 38:15 indicates a direction, and a place, not the cosmic spiritual realm. North and South in Daniel 11 refer to the Seleucid and Ptolemaic divisions of the Grecian Empire, and corresponded to north and south of Israel.True dat!
"North" not only can refer to earthly geography but can also denote the cosmic spiritual realm.
I assume Rosh also alludes to the fact that they are the head of the confederacy. Both talks give some reference to the Rus people, and even today this could be preserved in the name Belarus. I understand they occupied northern Ukraine but many migrated north to avoid the Mongolians. As far as the other detail of Ezekiel 38, the chapter clearly depicts the return of the Jews to the Holy Land, their return as agriculturalists, not their conversion to Christianity, and then a military invasion, the defeat of this invasion and the conversion of a significant remnant in Ezekiel 39, then the establishment and building of the Temple in Ezekiel 40-48. All of this corresponds to the significant opening vision of the writing prophets Isaiah 2:1-4. It is as if we are given the final picture and then the rest of the prophets give the many details how this will be accomplished.Unfortunately for the people that try to make scripture refer to modern day places, there has never been a place called rosh in any known ancient writing.
"Rosh" as a place name would have been meaningless to the ancient writers and readers of scripture.
Ezekiel's vision lists with Magog other nations that are representative of enemies from every direction, so it's not just Magog that is included.Greetings Only_3 and Sissy,
Ezekiel 38:15 indicates a direction, and a place, not the cosmic spiritual realm. North and South in Daniel 11 refer to the Seleucid and Ptolemaic divisions of the Grecian Empire, and corresponded to north and south of Israel.
I assume Rosh also alludes to the fact that they are the head of the confederacy. Both talks give some reference to the Rus people, and even today this could be preserved in the name Belarus. I understand they occupied northern Ukraine but many migrated north to avoid the Mongolians. As far as the other detail of Ezekiel 38, the chapter clearly depicts the return of the Jews to the Holy Land, their return as agriculturalists, not their conversion to Christianity, and then a military invasion, the defeat of this invasion and the conversion of a significant remnant in Ezekiel 39, then the establishment and building of the Temple in Ezekiel 40-48. All of this corresponds to the significant opening vision of the writing prophets Isaiah 2:1-4. It is as if we are given the final picture and then the rest of the prophets give the many details how this will be accomplished.
Kind regards
Trevor
"Rosh" is not a place, it the chief leader.Both talks give some reference to the Rus people