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Dealing with Giants

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TrevorL

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A theme in the early part of Deuteronomy is "Dealing with Giants". Despite the encouraging and faithful words of Joshua and Caleb 38 years previously, the report by the other 10 spies resulted in the failure by that generation, and a significant part of this was the fear of the Giants and the Walled Cities.

Moses gave his first speech and this speech is bookmarked by the following verses:
Deuteronomy 1:3–4 (KJV): 3 And it came to pass in the fortieth year, in the eleventh month, on the first day of the month, that Moses spake unto the children of Israel, according unto all that the LORD had given him in commandment unto them; 4 After he had slain Sihon the king of the Amorites, which dwelt in Heshbon, and Og the king of Bashan, which dwelt at Astaroth in Edrei:

Deuteronomy 4:45–49 (KJV): 45 These are the testimonies, and the statutes, and the judgments, which Moses spake unto the children of Israel, after they came forth out of Egypt, 46 On this side Jordan, in the valley over against Bethpeor, in the land of Sihon king of the Amorites, who dwelt at Heshbon, whom Moses and the children of Israel smote, after they were come forth out of Egypt: 47 And they possessed his land, and the land of Og king of Bashan, two kings of the Amorites, which were on this side Jordan toward the sunrising; 48 From Aroer, which is by the bank of the river Arnon, even unto mount Sion, which is Hermon, 49 And all the plain on this side Jordan eastward, even unto the sea of the plain, under the springs of Pisgah.


Moses was going to encourage Joshua and the children of Israel to cross the Jordan and enter the Land of Promise and defeat the Giants and possess the Land. What Moses with Divine guidance decided to do was to conquer two territories on the East of the Jordan as an example of how they could be successful with God's blessing when they entered the Land. This conquest of Sihon and Og and their territories becomes the basis for Moses' encouragement in his speech to Joshua and Israel. One example of this is in Deuteronomy 2:24-37 for the conquest of Sihon, and Deuteronomy 3:1-11 for the conquest of Og. It is also significant that the cities in this second reference concerning Og were High Walled Cities, and yet they had overcome them, and this is a reminder of one aspect of the evil report by the ten spies. The other aspect of the evil report is matched by the fact that they had also overcome Og, who was a Giant.

Another aspect of the theme is that when God purposes to give a land to a nation for an inheritance, Giants and City Walls are in no way an impossible impediment. When Israel journeyed up on the Eastern side of Jordan, they needed to pass through the Lands of Edom, Moab and Ammon. God had instructed Israel not to fight against these three nations, as God was not going to give Israel their Land. Hence it is God who decides who inherits a particular Land, and God had determined to give Israel the Land of Promise, known then as the Land of Canaan.

An interesting feature, and relevant to the theme conquering Giants and City Walls is the fact that many years prior to Israel's journeys God had given these lands to these three nations and they also had no trouble in overcoming the City Walls and the Giants who were in their future Land:
Deuteronomy 2:10–11 (KJV): 10 The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; 11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.
Deuteronomy 2:20–22 (KJV): 20 (That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims; 21 A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead: 22 As he did to the children of Esau, which dwelt in Seir, when he destroyed the Horims from before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead even unto this day:


The following appears to be a summary of the theme of this section:
Deuteronomy 3:21–22 (KJV): 21 And I commanded Joshua at that time, saying, Thine eyes have seen all that the LORD your God hath done unto these two kings: so shall the LORD do unto all the kingdoms whither thou passest. 22 Ye shall not fear them: for the LORD your God he shall fight for you.

This lesson of “Dealing with Giants” is an example of how we can deal with Giants, that is large difficulties in our life and walk.

Kind regards
Trevor
 
A theme in the early part of Deuteronomy is "Dealing with Giants". Despite the encouraging and faithful words of Joshua and Caleb 38 years previously, the report by the other 10 spies resulted in the failure by that generation, and a significant part of this was the fear of the Giants and the Walled Cities.

Moses gave his first speech and this speech is bookmarked by the following verses:
Deuteronomy 1:3–4 (KJV): 3 And it came to pass in the fortieth year, in the eleventh month, on the first day of the month, that Moses spake unto the children of Israel, according unto all that the LORD had given him in commandment unto them; 4 After he had slain Sihon the king of the Amorites, which dwelt in Heshbon, and Og the king of Bashan, which dwelt at Astaroth in Edrei:

Deuteronomy 4:45–49 (KJV): 45 These are the testimonies, and the statutes, and the judgments, which Moses spake unto the children of Israel, after they came forth out of Egypt, 46 On this side Jordan, in the valley over against Bethpeor, in the land of Sihon king of the Amorites, who dwelt at Heshbon, whom Moses and the children of Israel smote, after they were come forth out of Egypt: 47 And they possessed his land, and the land of Og king of Bashan, two kings of the Amorites, which were on this side Jordan toward the sunrising; 48 From Aroer, which is by the bank of the river Arnon, even unto mount Sion, which is Hermon, 49 And all the plain on this side Jordan eastward, even unto the sea of the plain, under the springs of Pisgah.


Moses was going to encourage Joshua and the children of Israel to cross the Jordan and enter the Land of Promise and defeat the Giants and possess the Land. What Moses with Divine guidance decided to do was to conquer two territories on the East of the Jordan as an example of how they could be successful with God's blessing when they entered the Land. This conquest of Sihon and Og and their territories becomes the basis for Moses' encouragement in his speech to Joshua and Israel. One example of this is in Deuteronomy 2:24-37 for the conquest of Sihon, and Deuteronomy 3:1-11 for the conquest of Og. It is also significant that the cities in this second reference concerning Og were High Walled Cities, and yet they had overcome them, and this is a reminder of one aspect of the evil report by the ten spies. The other aspect of the evil report is matched by the fact that they had also overcome Og, who was a Giant.

Another aspect of the theme is that when God purposes to give a land to a nation for an inheritance, Giants and City Walls are in no way an impossible impediment. When Israel journeyed up on the Eastern side of Jordan, they needed to pass through the Lands of Edom, Moab and Ammon. God had instructed Israel not to fight against these three nations, as God was not going to give Israel their Land. Hence it is God who decides who inherits a particular Land, and God had determined to give Israel the Land of Promise, known then as the Land of Canaan.

An interesting feature, and relevant to the theme conquering Giants and City Walls is the fact that many years prior to Israel's journeys God had given these lands to these three nations and they also had no trouble in overcoming the City Walls and the Giants who were in their future Land:
Deuteronomy 2:10–11 (KJV): 10 The Emims dwelt therein in times past, a people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; 11 Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.
Deuteronomy 2:20–22 (KJV): 20 (That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims; 21 A people great, and many, and tall, as the Anakims; but the LORD destroyed them before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead: 22 As he did to the children of Esau, which dwelt in Seir, when he destroyed the Horims from before them; and they succeeded them, and dwelt in their stead even unto this day:


The following appears to be a summary of the theme of this section:
Deuteronomy 3:21–22 (KJV): 21 And I commanded Joshua at that time, saying, Thine eyes have seen all that the LORD your God hath done unto these two kings: so shall the LORD do unto all the kingdoms whither thou passest. 22 Ye shall not fear them: for the LORD your God he shall fight for you.

This lesson of “Dealing with Giants” is an example of how we can deal with Giants, that is large difficulties in our life and walk.

Kind regards
Trevor
I would offer the bigger they are the harder they fall .

It’s about never how tall the assumed enemy is. ( some says 450 feet) It’s not like a popular comical song by Randy Newman . “Short People” got no business to live . LOL

Grasshoppers is how it felt to those not walking by faith the unseen power of God . (Perspective not literal size )

Goliath seemed like a grasshopper to God’s renown. . little David (Nephilim).

Giants of faith or trust. The enemies renown (Nephilim). verses the renown (Nephilim). of God . . . one little GPS stone right between the eyes. LOL .No need for recalculating (two clicks for wind factor)

Again grasshopper perspective the fear of man .

Numbers 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Simply a great tribulation both sides. . war impending. Its about defining the two words used toghter grasshopper and renown

Isaiah 40:22 It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:

again grasshopper the fear men

Job 39:20Canst thou make him afraid as a grasshopper? the glory of his nostrils is terrible.

Nephilim/renown used 9 times in the bible every time used to represent both sides .Those on the side of God (heroes) and those after the god of this world .. .their heroes.

Isaiah 14:20 Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned

Below as an instrument of discipline God brings the renown of the enemy to rebuke them .

Renown heroes of faith not heroes of Height like the NBA. No need for a height calcultaor

Ezekiel 23:22-24King James Version Ezekiel 23:22-24Therefore, O Aholibah, thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will raise up thy lovers against thee, from whom thy mind is alienated, and I will bring them against thee on every side; The Babylonians, and all the Chaldeans, Pekod, and Shoa, and Koa, and all the Assyrians with them: all of them desirable young men, captains and rulers, great lords and renowned, all of them riding upon horses. And they shall come against thee with chariots, wagons, and wheels, and with an assembly of people, which shall set against thee buckler and shield and helmet round about: and I will set judgment before ,and they shall judge thee according to their judgments.
 
Thank you both for sharing that.
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Now these are the nations which the Lord left, to prove Israel by them,
even as many of Israel as had not known all the wars of Canaan;
Only that the generations of the children of Israel might know, to teach them war,
at the least such as before knew nothing thereof;
Namely,
five lords of the Philistines, and all the Canaanites, and the Sidonians,
and the Hivites that dwelt in mount Lebanon, from mount Baal-hermon unto the entering in of Hamath.
And they were to prove Israel by them,
to know whether they would hearken unto the commandments of the Lord,
which He commanded their fathers by the hand of Moses.

Judges 3:1-4
 
Greetings Mr G Lee,
Goliath seemed like a grasshopper to God’s renown. . little David (Nephilim). Giants of faith or trust. The enemies renown (Nephilim). verses the renown (Nephilim). of God
I appreciate the comparison between the situation of Joshua and the giants of his day, and David and Goliath. I consider that one of my favourite Psalms, Psalm 8, is based upon David's victory over Goliath. I do not understand your use of Nephilim in the above. There are two words translated "giants" and Nephilim is only used 3 times. I have not examined the range of meaning of the two words, but I have a different perspective to one popular view of Genesis 6:4.

Kind regards
Trevor
 
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