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Seven questions

SteVen

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Seven questions:


1) Would a good God punish me for asking the hard questions?

2) Why do I believe what I believe?

3) Is this a good reason to believe in this?

4) Is belief, or faith, a good measure for morality?

5) Have I explored other religions to the extent that I explored Christianity?

6) What if you are the one in the wrong religion?

7) How would my faith community react to my exploring these questions?


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2) Why do I believe what I believe?
In matters of theology, my beliefs have been shaped by a host of influences. Candor compels me to admit occasional confirmation bias, but in my better moments I think I manage to put that aside, and rely on my own study.

The Trinity is a good example. I was raised a Trinitarian, and I still am one, but not because I was raised as one. (I was raised Roman Catholic too, but am not one today.) My own study has never shaken belief in the Trinity, although I ultimately came to conclude that Scripture is equivocal on the subject. I see the doctrine of the Trinity as the early Church's effort to explain their experience and understanding of the risen Christ in philosophical terms. And I think they got it right.

It's that way for me on lots of religious matters. Could I be wrong? Sure. But it will take some doing to turn me around on matters that I've thoroughly investigated already.
 
In matters of theology, my beliefs have been shaped by a host of influences. Candor compels me to admit occasional confirmation bias, but in my better moments I think I manage to put that aside, and rely on my own study.

The Trinity is a good example. I was raised a Trinitarian, and I still am one, but not because I was raised as one. (I was raised Roman Catholic too, but am not one today.) My own study has never shaken belief in the Trinity, although I ultimately came to conclude that Scripture is equivocal on the subject. I see the doctrine of the Trinity as the early Church's effort to explain their experience and understanding of the risen Christ in philosophical terms. And I think they got it right.

It's that way for me on lots of religious matters. Could I be wrong? Sure. But it will take some doing to turn me around on matters that I've thoroughly investigated already.
Great response, thanks.
I can empathize with much of what you wrote.

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Some questions I’m going to answer personally but most will be general answers.


1) Would a good God punish me for asking the hard questions?

Insolence, yes. For an all-powerful, all-knowing God, there are no hard questions.

2) Why do I believe what I believe?

Experience.

3) Is this a good reason to believe in this?

Yes.

4) Is belief, or faith, a good measure for morality?

No. Not on a human basis.

5) Have I explored other religions to the extent that I explored Christianity?

Some but not all.

6) What if you are the one in the wrong religion?

There is no freedom FROM religion, only OF religion. Humans need a moral code, a world view, a philosophy to guide their thoughts and actions. Most people get this through religion.

The concept of right and wrong only pertain to a standard. By what standard would you deem your religion – or any religion – right of wrong?

The only religion that I am confident is wrong is the one where Lucifer pretended to be Gabriel and told a warmongering, slave trading pedophile to write and who serves as the moral compass for 1 B people to recite. This so-called religion is a totalitarian, expansionist, supremacist ideology that is the bane of humanity. Not only do they not co-exist with other religions, but they also violently oppose themselves.

7) How would my faith community react to my exploring these questions?


Meh.
 
The only religion that I am confident is wrong is the one where Lucifer pretended to be Gabriel and told a warmongering, slave trading pedophile to write and who serves as the moral compass for 1 B people to recite. This so-called religion is a totalitarian, expansionist, supremacist ideology that is the bane of humanity. Not only do they not co-exist with other religions, but they also violently oppose themselves.

--because Satan would never try to deceive someone by pretending to be an angel of the Lord, right?

I mean--- who would fall for that? A pedophile maybe, but not a murderer. A murderer on the run would never fall for such a thing.
 
The only religion that I am confident is wrong is the one where Lucifer pretended to be Gabriel and told a warmongering, slave trading pedophile to write and who serves as the moral compass for 1 B people to recite. This so-called religion is a totalitarian, expansionist, supremacist ideology that is the bane of humanity. Not only do they not co-exist with other religions, but they also violently oppose themselves.
They feel the same way about us.
This is an interesting read.

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1) Would a good God punish me for asking the hard questions?

Insolence, yes. For an all-powerful, all-knowing God, there are no hard questions.
Insolence?
A god would have to be pretty small to be offended by anything.


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Seven questions:
What is your purpose in starting all these threads, as though you had some quota to meet?
1) Would a good God punish me for asking the hard questions?
It depends on who God actually is and what he/she/it is actually like, eh? As I conceive of the most likely attributes of the creator, no. If my conceptions are seriously off-base, possibly yes. If there is no God, then the question is irrelevant.

What does a "good" God look like? Do I get to define goodness for God? Thinking I get to, or can, is one of the fundamental problems with religion. Perhaps God is "good" in precisely the way Islamic jihadists define him. Perhaps he/she/it is good in some way entirely outside my human frame of reference.

It appears to me you're looking for people to confirm your personal notion that "No, the God of Christianity as I conceive Him to be would not punish me for asking hard questions." The fact you feel the need to start all these threads suggests to me you lack confidence in your own beliefs and they aren't bringing you the peace of mind that deep religious convictions should bring.
2) Why do I believe what I believe?
Because I have conducted a diligent quest for 60+ years that has involved diverse life experiences, extensive observations, extensive studies, extensive reflection and my own intuition.
3) Is this a good reason to believe in this?
A lot better reason, IMO, than 99.9% of other "believers," Christians and atheists alike, can articulate.
4) Is belief, or faith, a good measure for morality?
I'm not sure this is an intelligible question. "Belief" or "faith" as a "measure for morality" - ? Notions of morality flow from almost every belief system, including materialistic atheism. Atheists typically define morality on the basis of philosophical reasoning, together with societal norms and laws - and that's fine. I might actually say it's more rational than basing morality on OT and NT verses, but obviously someone committed to the Bible as the word of God is going to disagree - and that's fine, too.

No one holds notions of morality fundamentality at odds with his or her beliefs about the nature of ultimate reality. This is somewhat like your question about a "good God." What we think is "good" or "moral" inevitably flows from what we believe about the nature of ultimate reality and the meaning and purpose (if any) of the reallity we inhabit.

5) Have I explored other religions to the extent that I explored Christianity?
The core religions yes, at least to a considerable degree. All religions mesh with no more than three or four basic models of ultimate reality, diverse as they may be in their specific doctrines. I think that reaching a conviction about the basic model of ultimate reality is perhaps more important than reaching one about a particular religion.
6) What if you are the one in the wrong religion?
I'm pretty confident all religions are "wrong" in the sense of not capturing the fullness of ultimate reality. We hold the convictions that our experiences, observations, studies and reflections have led us to hold, filtered through what our intuition tells us is likely to be true and what we are constitutionally capable of believing.
7) How would my faith community react to my exploring these questions?
I have no "faith community" and don't give a rat's ass what anyone else thinks. No one "knows" any more about the ultimate nature of reality than I do.
Please copy the question you are responding to in your reply. Thanks.
FYI, I'm not going to respond further in this thread.
 
Insolence?
A god would have to be pretty small to be offended by anything.
You are a piece of work, projecting deficiency of oneself onto God.

It is not that God is offended but you are insolent. Grasp the distinction?
 
What is your purpose in starting all these threads, as though you had some quota to meet?

What is your purpose in asking?

Walking around with a perpetual butthurt is uncomfortable for all concerned. So what exactly is your concern?

When you were starting blog after blog-- one might think it was simply because you enjoyed or felt some personal benefit in sharing your thoughts. Is it a radical notion to think that others might do the same? I, for one, appreciate his conversation starters.
 
What is your purpose in asking?

Walking around with a perpetual butthurt is uncomfortable for all concerned. So what exactly is your concern?

When you were starting blog after blog-- one might think it was simply because you enjoyed or felt some personal benefit in sharing your thoughts. Is it a radical notion to think that others might do the same? I, for one, appreciate his conversation starters.
Well, good, I'm glad you appreciate it. I think it makes him look obsessional to the point of weirdness, but perhaps that's just me. When the first page of a supposed forum with no more than a handful of participants has 90% of the threads started by one individual, it strikes me as a bit weird. My "concern," to use the term loosely, would be more in the vein of what's going on in @SteVen's life and inside his head than any "butthurt" on my part. From your standpoint, I can see that without @SteVen you'd have a Rather Dead forum.
 
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